To think that wolf whistling wasn't such a bad thing?

[NovemberMorn]

Joanna Lumley has just given an interview in which she says..."I never minded wolf whistling, I always thought it was tremendous".

She also said... "I think we were a little bit tougher then. Somebody put their hand on your leg, you didn’t feel affronted and report it. You’d give them a slap.”

Do you think she is right?

Me neither - I’m talking a very long time ago, though.
One thing I doubt would happen nowadays, was a university lecturer (young, evidently fancied himself rotten) at my very first tutorial very many years ago, saying, ‘Your essay was fine, I’ve given you a B. Now, how’s your sex life?’

If that ever happened now, I dare say the student would tell him to mind his own fucking business! And that she’d report him.

OTOH brought up to be so polite, I just said, ‘Fine, thank you.’ 😩

Now you are blatantly lying.
You have written... OP asked if street harassment is fine and implied women and children who loathe it are weak.

I have sympathised with women who were/are affected by wolf whistling, but more importantly, please point out where I have ever mentioned children being weak.

You quoted JL saying that women were 'tougher' back then, which obviously means she thinks women are less tough now. JL thinks wolf whistling is harmless and unwanted touch from men can be dealt with by a slap round the face. You asked if people agreed. You have argued with people who disagreed, giving an overall impression your views align with JLs. So, do they? Do you think JL is right?

Nah. Completely factual based on your original post and your subsequent words.

"think we were a little bit tougher then. Somebody put their hand on your leg, you didn’t feel affronted and report it. You’d give them a slap.” quoting ms Lumley.

And from you: :I agree with you ...and Joanna too."

And from you: "I personally think some women overact. A wolf whistle never harmed anyone, unless the bloke whistling was so distracted he fell of the ladder."

And from you: "As has been said...women and girls handled themselves back then. I never saw myself as a victim even though I grew up in that era."

And from you: "You can call it victim blaming if you like, I see it more as educating women to look after themselves...
I am talking of women being street smart enough to NOT get the vapours if a man dare look at them in an appreciative way, or God forbid....actually whistle.😁

And that's only on page one of your responses.

No need to blatantly lie.

I ABSOLUTELY did not.

Other PPs suggested that I didn't know these men weren't wolf whistling children and I said that I absolutely knew because there were no children around. FACT.

It was OTHER posters who implied that if there had been children around then they would have targeted them.
Query on what basis they came to this assumption...let's hope they never have to serve on a jury!

PLUS I have NEVER discredited those who had other experiences

However I will NOT be told what happened to me. And I have never seen men wolf whistling children. I don't deny it happened, but I'm not going to say that I've witnessed it when I haven't

No doubt some still do it, I suspect a minority, because as I repeatedly have said..'times have changed'.
I have also said my son worked on building sites between education, and the workers certainly didn't wolf whistle, his attitude was it was ridiculous, and I'm sure if they had they would have been reprimanded.

No doubt sites differ, as do areas, but the overall feeling on this thread is wolf whistling and cat calling is certainly a dying 'habit'..(insert whichever word you think fit)

You engaged with her with your Laughing emoji didn’t you?

You’re defending men who street harass, your logic is flawed by saying they don’t do it to children. They do and have and that’s been proved. You’re defending them is reprehensible. In one situation, unless you live, work, socialise in the city also, because children weren’t available, they picked on what was. You stated that you’d never known it? Like another poster, how do they know a women is aged over 18 or if they do, how do they know she is likely to be one of the very few who accepted this sexism and misogyny? They didn’t, so they just did it anyway!

Mind you, you also said you were leaving this thread a few days ago, that hasn’t happened either!

Nonaynevernomore you asked

so again I’ll ask, how do they ID these 18 year old? Passport? Driving license?
Yeah, they don’t! They’ve no idea how old they are.

aliceinawonderland · Yesterday 13:46

City of london
all office blocks ( some under construction hence builders) and no schools in vicinity
women in power suits carrying briefcases
get the scene?

Nonaynevernomore
oh I see no children around for them to street harass, so they didn’t!
Slow hand clap for them….. aren’t they just great.
But you keep trying to say they did it as a choice.

They street harassed what was available to them ……
You’ve really not proved a point here at all!

Basically you are putting your own words into my mouth!!
Beggars belief

I want you to retract your comment that I am excusing men who harass children

Then I'll leave

@NovemberMorn

That’s a whole heap of victim blaming there!

No mention of CHILDREN, but by all means read through every post I have made to double check.

Apart from repeating yourself throughout the thread, seldom answering direct questions, you are now resorting to blatantly lying.😒

Definite mention of GIRLS who are in fact children.

Yes, I tend to check the word of people who are blatantly lying. If that upsets you, maybe don't lie.

Not only lying but slandering too

I think a couple of posters are putting their own slant on what people with opposing views have said.
I doubt they will retract what they have said, I have been accused of saying children are weak if they are upset by men cat calling them...an utter lie.

I think my involvement here is finished here too...an interesting thread sullied by people who will say anything to score a point.

❤

I certainly didn't put a slant on anything. I just quoted you.

And yep, you did indeed imply (I said imply not said and you should only use the words I used as I have done for you when I quoted you directly) that women and children are weak if they dislike street harassment.

As you are aware, girls, as you specifically mentioned in one of your replies, are indeed children.

If you don't want your words to be quoted at you correctly, don't write them.

Quoting your posts too but I see you ignored the evidence in front of your eyes.

interesting!

As has been said...women and girls handled themselves back then.
I never saw myself as a victim even though I grew up in that era.

Girls are children, you said they handled themselves back then, they didn’t! It was however accepted at some level, these men meant “nothing by it”, and people like yourself felt women and girls should handled themselves in a way so as not to stop the men, not that the men should not do it!! Sorry but that’s not acceptable.

I think PP is making the point that you can't prove these men never harass children when your only experience of them is in an environment where there were no children for them to harass.

And that it's impossible to know the age of every young woman walking by (who are often seen at a distance with their faces turned away) so when they are working on sites where underage girls do walk past, there's a high chance that some of these girls will be on the receiving end of their harassment.

Unless you think 'your' builders only ever worked in environments where every woman was over 18, or where every woman had maturity signifiers such as a briefcase, then you can't possibly say 'your' builders 'never' harassed children. If they are habitual street harassers, the chances of them, even inadvertently to put the best spin on it, targetting an underage woman will be pretty high.

Thanks for bringing all those to the fore, it proves my point further!

Great post!

Exactly what I’m saying.

In my vocabulary, and in the way it was said... GIRLS are relatively young WOMEN.
I was quoted here as saying CHILDREN....which deliberately puts a completely different slant on what was said.

Girls are children.

So yep, you did indeed imply that women and girls (another word for whom is children) who loathed street harassment are weak.

And no, I did NOT quote you as having said children. I summarised that you had implied that women and children were weak and QUOTED you as saying girls. Who are, in fact, children.

You're embarrassing yourself a lot now. You said it. It's done.

Girls are children……

that’s a fact.