Am I a far right extremist?

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I had a conversation with my best friend of 25 years the other day and she called me a far right extremist and how my views are scary, dangerous and 'nazi coded'
I was really shocked as I didn't think any of what I said was bad. I'm not a particularly avid supporter of any political party and very much keep opinions to myself. She's very supportive of labour and anti trump and always has been. Usually when she asks me my opinions I just don't want to get into it but I did the other night and now I feel bad.

Here's the breakdown:

• she sent me an article and told me that Nigel Farage is going to ban abortion eventually if he wins an election. I read the article and pointed out he only suggested lowering the abortion cut off date to 22 weeks (not 24 as it is now). I told her it wasn't the end of the world and it's reasonable if you read his reasons. I also made the point that men shouldn't really be getting involved in abortion law but that what he said wasn't the end of the world.

• she asked me about immigration and I said that it's great but that we should be prioritising skilled immigrants and have stronger immigration laws. She also asked about asylum seekers and hotels and I said that we should have stronger laws about monitoring people and collecting documentation when people arrive.

• she sent me and asked about Elon Musk's Nazi salute and I said I didn't interpret it that way

• I said that immigrants who rape or murder should be deported.

To me this feels really reasonable and not over the top but she really attacked me for it? Now I feel really awkward and uncomfortable talking to her. Is this far right??

I agree with your views on immigration (I am an Indian origin who immigrated few years back). It has become very easy to call people labels (racist/woke) instead of having a healthy discussion on any topic. Don’t worry yourself if someone does that to you.

The problem is that the first paragraph in the Reform propaganda is mostly true. Those things are worsening people’s experience of life and their expectations for the future. Most people reading it would be nodding along, feeling it resonates with their problems.

The bit that’s obvious nonsense is the idea that Reform are the answer. Clearly they are not. But they are correct that the Tories have failed to provide answers and, so far, many are not confident that Labour will either.

Neither Labour nor the Tories are demonstrating to voters that they fully grasp the situation, nor are they offering credible solutions to fix it. They’re not proving they understand how voters feel. Reform are showing they grasp the issues and are promising to solve them (like Trump). It seems that lots of people will just swallow these empty promises without bothering to think about it. They’re being offered an easy solution to a desired outcome that eases their pain and burdens and they’ll take it.

Both Labour and the Tories need to really get on top of showing voters they get it and showing they have credible solutions (and in Labour’s case, actually effecting positive change as the government). Otherwise I fear we’re in real danger of getting a Reform government next -or at best, a Reform/Tory coalition.

I'm genuinely curiously about what you're looking for from this thread, OP. If enough people say you are not particularly right wing, will you report this back to your friend? She clearly thinks you are very right wing and so will some other people. I don't see how knowing that some people don't see you like that, will help in any way.
Does the idea of being very right wing bother you?

Every political party should be interested in women's rights and be willing to listen to women's views on issues that impact us.

Neither one is.

It's the same now with the issue with women's single sex spaces. The Democrats and to a lesser degree Labour are refusing to listen to women on this. Preferring to call us bigots.

With the most recent US Election Trump ran with this, his campaign tag line was genius;

Kamala is for They/ Them, Trump is for you!

because he recognised that the Democrats were failing to listen to women.

Only if you believe it to be a Nazi salute.

There's quite a lot of ground between the current abortion framework in England and Gilead.

Really? I would class myself as pro choice but I struggle when people make statements like this. You think a woman in labour should be able to decide actually she doesn’t want the baby any more and it should be euthanised despite potentially being hours or even minutes away from a safe delivery?

I’m actually of the view that you should be able to choose to stop being pregnant at any point, but past say 22 weeks that life saving measures will be deployed once the baby is born because at that point it’s a separate patient in its own right. And if you choose this route between 22 and 37 weeks (other than if medically advised) then you lose parental rights because you are unable to put your child’s needs first.

Boris Johnson and Donald Trump didn’t get the memo then.

And?

That’s right cover it up by pulling the racist card. We’ve seen how that went down in the likes of Rotherham.

Who owns our wealth and resources and who controls our access to it? It's not lefties, & it's not immigrants is it?

Who owns our press and our social media, our land, our natural resources, our means of production etc?

It's unsurprising that a significant % of the population have been convinced the blame for our woes isn't a direct consequence of economic policies designed to further the interests of those with power and control.

Hitler blamed the left and Jews, Mussolini came to power off the back of violent attacks on the left and with backing from the King, liberal politicians, landowners and the capitalist class.

The parallels are so clear, it's embarrassing that so many people continue to refuse to face them.

Trump isn't Hitler, he's Mussolini, who the Pope claimed had been sent by Providence to deliver Italy from liberalism and religious error.

And how is Brexit working out for you? What was the figure we have lost since 2020? £500 Billion?

Should have gone to specsavers?

Musk knew exactly what he was doing when he did that salute. There is no doubt.

Denying the salute would make me change my opinion on a friend personally, regardless of whether some of their other views were moderate.

Panicking about what?
Rights being taken away from them?
That's natural to worry if so.
Saying "lefties" just makes you sound ridiculous.

I think he probably did.
It wasn’t a Nazi salute though.

And the Reform party keeping going on about the UK falling apart, nothing working, and govt having no money…..

I can see a goat and think it’s a zebra but that doesn’t make me correct.

It’s shocking to hear anyone who describes themselves as a socialist and a feminist agree with Trump’s declaration that there are only two genders (not sexes) and put that into law. Lives will be lost as a direct result.

With friends like you, eh?

No its called having an opinion, don't think you're far right at all, I and many of my friends would have the same type discussions.

The religious side is very interesting I think we need to make sure no religion creeps into our government it must be firmly separated

This

Yes really,

These mythical late term abortions don't happen unless there is a risk to life of baby/ child.

I have a friend who made the horrendous decision to medically terminate her baby after 22 weeks. It was absolutely horrific for her. It would have been cruel to the baby to have a live birth, the baby had anencephaly discovered at the late scan.

Do you think babies with no chance of survival should be born to die?

Do you think mothers who are going to die giving birth or if a pregnancy continues should not be saved?

These are not conversations for this thread, I do not want to go off track here.

All I am saying is that despite the fact that I believe that women should have choice I think that it is reasonable for a debate to be had.

Presumably given that you disagree with me on abortion you can see that I am pro a discussion?

was it anything like Emanuel Macron's "nazi salute?"
https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1882553556093571563

Yes - nazis stood up straight. To have saluted in the way that people are claiming Musk did would probably have got you shot in the Third Reich for disrespect.

I had a conversation with my best friend of 25 years the other day and she called me a far right extremist and how my views are scary, dangerous and 'nazi coded'

Did she aye? 😉

This seems to be happening to a lot of new posters recently. Quite the epidemic.