Am I a far right extremist?

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I had a conversation with my best friend of 25 years the other day and she called me a far right extremist and how my views are scary, dangerous and 'nazi coded'
I was really shocked as I didn't think any of what I said was bad. I'm not a particularly avid supporter of any political party and very much keep opinions to myself. She's very supportive of labour and anti trump and always has been. Usually when she asks me my opinions I just don't want to get into it but I did the other night and now I feel bad.

Here's the breakdown:

• she sent me an article and told me that Nigel Farage is going to ban abortion eventually if he wins an election. I read the article and pointed out he only suggested lowering the abortion cut off date to 22 weeks (not 24 as it is now). I told her it wasn't the end of the world and it's reasonable if you read his reasons. I also made the point that men shouldn't really be getting involved in abortion law but that what he said wasn't the end of the world.

• she asked me about immigration and I said that it's great but that we should be prioritising skilled immigrants and have stronger immigration laws. She also asked about asylum seekers and hotels and I said that we should have stronger laws about monitoring people and collecting documentation when people arrive.

• she sent me and asked about Elon Musk's Nazi salute and I said I didn't interpret it that way

• I said that immigrants who rape or murder should be deported.

To me this feels really reasonable and not over the top but she really attacked me for it? Now I feel really awkward and uncomfortable talking to her. Is this far right??

*re musk he did almost the same gesture as macron, it's all over x.
He thumped his heart and struck his arm out. It's really pathetic to jump on this.

Most of the people I know in real life have the same views as you.

Most people I see on social media would say those views are far right.

I would ignore. She sounds like she was putting you through a series of tests, which real friends wouldn't do.

You see a Nazi salute because you want to see it.

I know what Musk is.
I am left wing.
I think the far right are dangerous. I think Musk is dangerous.

However if you think what Musk did is a a Nazi salute then you don’t know what a Nazi salute is.

Now I’m not saying Musk did or didn’t want it to be interpreted as such or that he may have been testing the waters for the future.
But imo Musk would have been disciplined by the Nazis for not saluting correctly with that action.

Better to be far right than far left.

Most people, if they were accused of performing a Nazi salute they'd be at pains to make people understand that wasn't the case.

Unless I've missed it, Elon Musk has done no such thing. He's obviously happy for people to think that was his intention.

He didn’t get to be a billionaire by caring what people think did he?

YANBU.

You sound very much centre to me.

I find it increasingly scary that people aren't allowed to voice moderate opinions.

@CatsForGovernment I agree I have a long standing close friend who is like this. I can't discuss anything like this with her if I said I merely watched the inauguration she would assume I'm a rabid maga supporter.

She's bright and educated as well 🤔

I think the Nazi salute is a red herring. He may have or he may not have - who knows. I think the real issue is a billionaire clearly using his wealth to buy political power.

No, it is ludicrous that saying thank you from the heart after dancing onto stage, once to the people in front of you and again to the people behind, is a nation salute, and should be taken as the ridiculous nonsense that it is.

Speeding up the footage to make it look like a nazi salute is desperate but there you go, that's all they have.

@SerenityNowSerenityNow

On x he has over and over again

He didn’t get to be a billionaire by caring what people think did he?

True but he's playing in a different arena now. Politics is ALL about what people think of you.

Nothing there is far right at all tbh, except for the red flag re Elon Musk, which casts a bit of suspicion over your wider perspective. I mean I haven’t seen the salute yet, but if you are not wanting to give a nazi salute then it seems like there would be very few situations where giving something that just looks very like a nazi salute would be a reasonable choice.

The (far left) Canadian government invited an ACTUAL nazi to their congress, Parliament Hill, and gave him a standing ovation.
Do I think they’re nazis? No.
I think they’re stupid and woefully informed.
I do not think Macron is a Nazi nor do I think Musk is a nazi.

It seems you have thought through the issues your friend has put to you and made up your own mind

eg. Abortion reduced to no more than 22weeks. If the science is there and that’s what you agree with then all good. Your friend however is just reading headlines it seems if from the article you were sent she thinks that’s a ban on abortion. It’s inflammatory speak
and I’m guessing she needs to get off social media or whatever it is she’s reading.

I wouldn’t see your views as far right
I would consider them thought through and centre.

I would question why she’s sending this stuff to a friend that prefers not to discuss personal political views. That’s her thing, not yours, let her get on with it …it seems like she’s goading you.

If your friend calls you an extremist, ditch the friend. Labels can be dangerous... And they change. What was once mainstream might next decade be extreme - and vice versa.
Your views are your views based on what you know and what you've experienced and they will be constantly changing. People's views change as the times change and they age and they have kids, get work, pay more tax, mix in wider circles, get ill, lose their jobs... whatever.

Anyone who labels you is not a friend. No point in getting into the debate.

This neatly shows the them and us issue. I’m not defending the democrats and all things democrat. I’m just saying that Trump and his Supreme Court picks said this was settled law under oath, then repealed it.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/06/extreme-us-anti-abortion-group-ramps-up-lobbying-in-westminster

The Abortion debate as it were, which shouldn't even need to be a debate as UK laws are measured and have plenty of safeguards around time limits and viability etc, is very much a boiling frog situation.

And mark my words, it ain't nothing to do with saving babies and caring about women and children. It's cos "God". Not Jesus particularly, more vengeful Old Testament beardy guy. The Demiurge in full force in fact.

Control half the population ia their reproductive rights and you're half way to complete domination.

As for points of immigration etc - the long con is bearing fruit. Divide and rule, bread and circuses.

This frog is staying under its rock unless I feel the call to defend the underdog in pro-active ways. Just watching and waiting for the end of the world via collective nervous breakdown 😬

On x he has over and over again

All I see is him justifying his actions 🤷🏼‍♀️

He might be rich but fuck me he's an absolute dick.

You're defending a Nazi salute...yeah you're far right

Could someone much more intelligent than me, tell me what gradient of what wing I belong to? I would love to know.

I believe that some people cannot be rehabilitated (for example some paedophiles who admit they can’t help themselves), and should never be let out of a confined environment.

I know that many people in society need help from the state. They should be given that help.

I know that sex is binary. It is biological. People can present how they like, no problem, but that does not automatically mean they’re the sex they’re presenting as. For example, Women’s spaces safe and otherwise / sport / opportunities /prisons are for biological women only.

Education is the foundation of freedom and opportunity and the state should provide a good education for all children. Teachers should be well paid (I admit I don’t know how much they Are paid, it may be decent. Teachers do a great job in an often tough environment. They’re not valued enough).

People like the Southport vicious murderer of little girls, are a good argument for capital punishment.

That enough for now. What am I? What political label should I identify with?

Ps. Ref Musk. He knew what he was doing.

If someone called me a far right extremist I wouldn't need to ask a bunch of randoms if I was or not.

Probably worth considering.

I mean I haven’t seen the salute yet, but if you are not wanting to give a nazi salute then it seems like there would be very few situations where giving something that just looks very like a nazi salute would be a reasonable choice.

Exactly, and if you did this 'by accident' then you'd apologise yeah?

I agree with Parratha. Everyone that disagrees is far left.

Boris Johnson and Donald Trump didn’t get the memo then.