Am I a far right extremist?

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I had a conversation with my best friend of 25 years the other day and she called me a far right extremist and how my views are scary, dangerous and 'nazi coded'
I was really shocked as I didn't think any of what I said was bad. I'm not a particularly avid supporter of any political party and very much keep opinions to myself. She's very supportive of labour and anti trump and always has been. Usually when she asks me my opinions I just don't want to get into it but I did the other night and now I feel bad.

Here's the breakdown:

• she sent me an article and told me that Nigel Farage is going to ban abortion eventually if he wins an election. I read the article and pointed out he only suggested lowering the abortion cut off date to 22 weeks (not 24 as it is now). I told her it wasn't the end of the world and it's reasonable if you read his reasons. I also made the point that men shouldn't really be getting involved in abortion law but that what he said wasn't the end of the world.

• she asked me about immigration and I said that it's great but that we should be prioritising skilled immigrants and have stronger immigration laws. She also asked about asylum seekers and hotels and I said that we should have stronger laws about monitoring people and collecting documentation when people arrive.

• she sent me and asked about Elon Musk's Nazi salute and I said I didn't interpret it that way

• I said that immigrants who rape or murder should be deported.

To me this feels really reasonable and not over the top but she really attacked me for it? Now I feel really awkward and uncomfortable talking to her. Is this far right??

I'd say that would be the most sensible interpretation.

There's no nuance about the salute. It is what it is, and he did it twice to be sure.
No political party (and precious few people) has ever advocated for completely open borders - suggesting they have is a far right lie so 🤷‍♀️

The Macron link is interesting. I wonder why all the hate from the left when Musk does it but not when Macron does it. Double standards? Two tiers?

Yes it's interesting, isn't it? I am not remotely keen on Macron but I wouldn't jump all over that gesture to smear him as a Nazi, that would be absurd.

I have pointed out that Musk has been very supportive of Israel and in particular the hostages, but I was told that Nazi means Islamophobic now. Who knew.

You're centre - her and comments on this thread just does how insane the left has become

I’m not sure you’re able to discuss anything, if your go to with someone of an opposing view is they’re an imbecile? Shall we all name call you, for your views….

i can think of a few!

But do you realise that the background to this is that there were missed opportunities for the Democrats (the left) to prevent this from happening but they didn't?

Obama even made a pre-election promise that he would codify it then reneged it. If he had codified it it would have been impossible for it to be overturned.

So this gave the Christian right the opportunity to grasp hold of this in the Supreme Court.

So one could ask why the Democrats didn't see women's reproductive rights as a significant enough issue to run with at a time they were able to really nail this down? This in the context of the fact they knew that anti abortion Christian extremist were positioning themselves to act when they could.

I think this is an interesting question in the light of the fact that Biden followed through with his pre-election promise by removing Title IX , and destroying women's single sex sport with his day 1 EO.

So I get very fed up with the Democrats for blaming the 'right' for this when they failed to protect women when the ball was in their court.

You don’t even remotely make sense!

Interesting op, I would say you're in the middle and normal?
Far left socialist don't like immigration either, look at the iron curtain and how those countries cope with migration now.

I'd just say your Normal and pragmatic.

That is exacty what it was. Society is full of rabble rousers wanting to create strife where none exists / was intended nowadays.
Certainly get vocal about real injustices etc but bitching when someone touches their heart then salutes the audience is childish.

I initially believed it was a Nazi salute. But then I watched the full video and I don’t believe it was his intention. I recently watched a podcast that discussed it and they played a montage of left leaning celebs and public figures doing a similar gesture.

It’s important to look at what you do hold opinions on and what you don’t in this as well.

If your main political thinking centres around issues of migration, asylum and deportation rather than inequality, the future of our children, the climate etc then that is a pity and yes, probably quite right wing insofar as that you are concerned with an agenda that is being pushed by the right wing through the media as opposed to all the things we should actually be talking about that would improve life for humanity in general.

The whole time people are focused on immigration there are huge issues being ignored. When people are scapegoated you have to ask who is making them the scapegoat and why.

Two things here, I haven't previously commented on Musk's salute.

I think Musk is a provocateur, it is likely it was deliberate. It is clearly abhorrent.

Second thing I haven't said that the left favour open borders. I have said that I have been called far right for believing that there should be immigration controls. There is one poster on this thread who believes that there should be open borders, it's clear in one of their posts. So I'm not sure that you are right that it is 'precious few'.

What did you see it as then?
I don't know anyone who saw it as anything else, regardless of their political stance.

I'd definitely say you're right wing, not an extremists.

She was only asked about those topics.

The democrats interest in women's issues extends as far as holding them over women's heads to bribe them with. If they actually gave them any they'd have no hold over them - jam tomorrow.

When asked about those topics it’s possible to say ‘I don’t consider those the most pressing topics’

It's hard to understand how people could be "best friends" with someone for 25 years and not have at least an inkling of their political viewpoints, looking at it from both sides.

Hear hear!
When the word “woman” is rendered meaningless, there’s no such thing as women’s rights.

Yeah me as well.

Anyone who can't see what this crazy fucker is up to, is delulu as the kids say.

His apartheid white supremacy roots are showing now and emboldening all the other fascist groups.

Wake up!

Are you saying she shouldn’t give her opinion on topics when asked unless it’s on a topic determined by you to be worthy of consideration?

Apart from you not being offended by people interpreting a Nazi salute by Elon Musk, I think your views are measured, fair and reasonable.

Countries should all be able to control their own borders.
How else do they ward off diseases, validate identity and skills, provide adequate housing and social services etc.?

Abortion laws could be more strict, the earlier, the better.

So I think you are slightly right winged but I know many people who think like you - not odd, not hard right..

I wish people would talk more about specific policies Musk supports than about whether he did a "Nazi salute".

Nobody who is actually far right in a dangerous way cares at all and they just enjoy the edgelord aesthetic.

There's a clear rise of nationalist parties and politics on both sides of the Atlantic. It's not going to stop, the factors driving it are hard ones. But not every nationalist party is created equal. Screaming about Nazi salutes just turns into the boy who cried wolf though, have a proper conversation about where the line is today and what are still red lines.

The country with the most stringent laws against Nazi references is Germany - and I would argue that the AfD is the most far right version of any of the European "far right" parties. Because freezing people out means they seek company with genuinely hateful people. They are probably going to be the 2nd largest party after next month's elections.

Yes I agree, it's hard to see that the Democrats are supportive of women's rights unless they favour males.

That being said the Republican 'pussy grabbing' Trump is worse with the exception of the EO restoring women's sex based rights.

What a time to be alive as a woman. Neither a side gives a shit about us.

I'm to the left of centre OP. I don't necessarily agree with all of your views, but neither do I think you're far-right, Nazi-coded, dangerous etc, etc. (I'm deliberately leaving the Musk salute out of this, as I think it's a slightly different issue).

Your friend needs to grow up and understand people will have views that are different to hers and that being right of centre doesn't = Nazi/far-right. I'm fed up to the back teeth of how so many on the left leap to call people 'far-right', Nazi, thick, stupid etc for not holding their list of approved views. It's not going to win us their votes and it's painting us into a corner as out-of-touch elitists which Trump, Farage et al then merrily exploit.