Am I a far right extremist?

[Isitme245]

I had a conversation with my best friend of 25 years the other day and she called me a far right extremist and how my views are scary, dangerous and 'nazi coded'
I was really shocked as I didn't think any of what I said was bad. I'm not a particularly avid supporter of any political party and very much keep opinions to myself. She's very supportive of labour and anti trump and always has been. Usually when she asks me my opinions I just don't want to get into it but I did the other night and now I feel bad.

Here's the breakdown:

• she sent me an article and told me that Nigel Farage is going to ban abortion eventually if he wins an election. I read the article and pointed out he only suggested lowering the abortion cut off date to 22 weeks (not 24 as it is now). I told her it wasn't the end of the world and it's reasonable if you read his reasons. I also made the point that men shouldn't really be getting involved in abortion law but that what he said wasn't the end of the world.

• she asked me about immigration and I said that it's great but that we should be prioritising skilled immigrants and have stronger immigration laws. She also asked about asylum seekers and hotels and I said that we should have stronger laws about monitoring people and collecting documentation when people arrive.

• she sent me and asked about Elon Musk's Nazi salute and I said I didn't interpret it that way

• I said that immigrants who rape or murder should be deported.

To me this feels really reasonable and not over the top but she really attacked me for it? Now I feel really awkward and uncomfortable talking to her. Is this far right??

Some people have no awareness of what's going on. They don't know that several European countries have far right parties, that there are far right MEPs and the AfD has Nazis in its ranks. There are calls for mass remigration programmes and Musk is all over it.

People with autism don’t go walking around doing a Nazi salute. What a stupid thing to say.

I'm not going to argue hypotheticals.

But that's what it is when you say we haven't seen communism done the right way

If people can't overcome their basic human behaviours then a state controlled system will have failings

@Llttledrummergirl

"Fucking hell, mumsnets descent into the sewer is gaining speed. How the fuck are they allowing adoration of Hitler and the Nazis to stand?"

I don't know where you got the impression that there has been any "adoration of Hitler and the Nazis" on this thread.

Equally from the other side of the debate posters such as @username299 has been very clear in her discussions on socialism and communism has been very clear in her condemnation of dictators such as Stalin and Mao.

You may have misunderstood the things because it is an intellectual debate on what constitutes left and right wing politics and whether the Nazi Party could or could not be seen as left wing.

No one is adoring anyone.

I think this says a lot about you and very little about her.

Precisely. Starmer is not a socialist.

What I said, really.

You may have misunderstood the things because it is an intellectual debate on what constitutes left and right wing politics and whether the Nazi Party could or could not be seen as left wing

This paragraph tells me so much about you.

Communism will never work because humans are hierarchical

It takes a huge amount of oppression to make it close to existing

Point proved 🤣

Ugh, can't one interpret a nazi salute anymore without being labelled far right? PC gone mad

You may have misunderstood the things because it is an intellectual debate on what constitutes left and right wing politics and whether the Nazi Party could or could not be seen as left wing.

It's no more an intellectual debate than saying Joan of Arc could or could not be seen as a transman ie not an intellectual debate at all. More an attempt to revise history to suit an agenda.

Exactly so they pounced on a simple gesture and didn’t even include what he was actually saying! Ridiculous hyperbole.

@Isitme245

Why do you reckon the UK hasn't yet banned unskilled immigrants and demanded only skilled ones? Do you think there's a specific reason, or is it just that the UK is very very nice?

You sound right wing and probably a bit under informed on Musk & his ideologies.
I wouldn't say you were an extremist but you could be useful to help them gain power.

As Musk is an admirer of AfD, I believe that he has fascist leanings. He spoke at their conference and said that Germans should stop feeling guilty about their Nazi past.

As soon as he bought Twitter, the most awful anti-semitic posts were allowed to stand, despite being reported.

If I were an immigrant of colour in the US, legal or illegal, I would be scared right now. And despite Trump's, Elon's and Tommy Robinson's support for Israel, I don't believe that Jews are safe. The Neo Nazi supporters of Trump, such as the Proud Boys, are massively anti-semitic and violent.

My take: OP is a Reform voter.

Reform is a hard right party.

@TooBigForMyBoots

"It's no more an intellectual debate than saying Joan of Arc could or could not be seen as a transman ie not an intellectual debate at all. More an attempt to revise history to suit an agenda."

Not sure of the reference to Joan of Arc's sexual identity.

But it has been a long standing debate amongst history intellectuals on whether the Nazis were right wing or left wing, long before any "modern agendas" came into play.

But as a simple question would you see the Nazi policy of state control of key industries as a more right wing or left wing policy?

Would you see the Nazi policy of seizing land from large landowners and redistributing it to tenant farmers as a right wing or a left wing policy?

@izimbra

I'm getting a bit lost on definitions now. What's the difference between

Right Wing
Far right wing
Hard right wing
Extreme right wing
Extreme far right wing
Neo Nazis
Fascism

Well, I think you are probably far right due to a couple of things .

1. You are part of a sudden influx of very right wing posters spamming this site

1. You've completely fabricated this friend and the discussion so as to try and introduce very right wing views in a disingenuous way.

I expect this post to be deleted , but it had to be said.

Have you actually read the policies of the AfD?

Twitter has always been a cesspit. It’s no different now.

You are making huge sweeping assumptions right now, and conflating so many separate groups. It’s inaccurate, and a much more complex picture than you are describing.

Wow. How patronising. Your attempt to belittle someone who disagrees with you on such an emotive subject in an effort to discredit them shows you.

I found Mein Kampf an enlightening read, it made feel that anyone who has anything but contempt for it's author, and the abhorrent policies that came as a result is someone who is beneath contempt. It's holocaust memorial day tomorrow, something that should never have happened, and something everybody should be doing their damndest to prevent from happening again. Anyone excusing, deflecting or promoting this political zeal and ideology should be ashamed of themselves, and yes, I include mnethq for letting it stand.

I totally agree with you.

But surely they are connected? It’s not about protecting women’s spaces, it’s an ideology set out in Project 25, pushed by his far right Christian donors and backers. A return to ‘traditional values’ and traditional gender roles. Hard to feel good about one situation when countless others are getting much worse. And when those ideas are quietly spreading to the UK.

Have you considered that your own reactions seem very very extreme? I don’t think anyone would ever wish for nazis to make a comeback. It’s not going to happen anyway.