Am I a far right extremist?

[Isitme245]

I had a conversation with my best friend of 25 years the other day and she called me a far right extremist and how my views are scary, dangerous and 'nazi coded'
I was really shocked as I didn't think any of what I said was bad. I'm not a particularly avid supporter of any political party and very much keep opinions to myself. She's very supportive of labour and anti trump and always has been. Usually when she asks me my opinions I just don't want to get into it but I did the other night and now I feel bad.

Here's the breakdown:

• she sent me an article and told me that Nigel Farage is going to ban abortion eventually if he wins an election. I read the article and pointed out he only suggested lowering the abortion cut off date to 22 weeks (not 24 as it is now). I told her it wasn't the end of the world and it's reasonable if you read his reasons. I also made the point that men shouldn't really be getting involved in abortion law but that what he said wasn't the end of the world.

• she asked me about immigration and I said that it's great but that we should be prioritising skilled immigrants and have stronger immigration laws. She also asked about asylum seekers and hotels and I said that we should have stronger laws about monitoring people and collecting documentation when people arrive.

• she sent me and asked about Elon Musk's Nazi salute and I said I didn't interpret it that way

• I said that immigrants who rape or murder should be deported.

To me this feels really reasonable and not over the top but she really attacked me for it? Now I feel really awkward and uncomfortable talking to her. Is this far right??

I've said the stuff you typed and not been called far right which is why I think you said more than that with coded language.

Have you read the thread? Posters are reading what is typed and using the term far right

I'd say they're already here, so give it time. I never thought I'd see Mnetters falling over themselves to excuse a Nazi salute but here we are. In the week leading up to Shoah commemoration 2025.

They'll be out and proud in their holocaust denial by Shoah 2026.

Revisit your Elon Musk salute.

Your friend is being horrible to.spread lies about you to a mutual friend. God knows what she's been saying about you, to everyone?! I wouldnt talk to her about anything meaningful again. Her actions are quite dangerous really, as the wrong people could target you.

"You don't understand the basic tenants of either far right or far left ideology. The NSP originally started out as a socialist party but when Hitler came to power was fascist.

Hitler then purged both the party and society of socialists, communists and trade unionists.

I understand that you think he was just making sure he had no competition but he wasn't left wing. "

So the crux of the issue then is what is the difference between left and right wing. Is it based on economics or nationalism or something else?

Personally I see the difference as relating to the level of state involvement in both the economy, society and people's everyday lives.

Free market capitalism which I and many others would view as definitely right wing espouses little state involvement. Whereas communism espouses total state control.

The Nazis and fascism advocates for state control of industries and the economy which would go against the very principles of free market capitalism.

I'm sorry to read this. You have been put in a false position once again by your friend. No wonder you were upset after the first incident and now feeling uncomfortable. She was supposed to be your best friend. Yet the friendship, affection and esteem of a friend that should attach and hold you together while discussing different points of view, seems absent.

The initial judgement shows alienation and a friendship already fractured, with a wide gulf where there should be an empathetic closeness and understanding, regardless of different opinions.

A measure of the of the lack of friendship and loyal regard for you is the representing of this to another friend, putting you in a false position that is nevertheless hard to defend or erase and leaves a trail of doubt hanging over you. Naturally you want to not lose your best friend of many years but would papering over the cracks serve any purpose if it's fundamentally unfair to you?

@username299

"Nazism has a hierarchy and a deep rooted belief in the strong ruling the weak. Communism is based on the liberation of the proletariat or the working class; it's a classless society without capitalism or privatisation."

Communism in practice results in a hierarchy with the Party members ruling everyone else.

There is a really good book called "Animal Farm" that I strongly recommend you read which easily explains what happens to communism in reality.

Communism in practice results in a hierarchy with the Party members ruling everyone else.

Surely people know this from communism in action

I recommended that book to someone on another thread, it was hilarious all they get screeching indignantly “what are you telling me to read a book of fiction”? At that point o realised there was little hope for them! Everyone should have to bread animal farm and brave new world at least before they’re allowed to leave school. They might recognise keir “four legs good two legs even better” Starmer in it

Thank you for your revisionist version of history and what it means to you in your own head. I'll stick with facts, reality and people who know what theyre talking about.

You sound just like those TRAs who would try to tell us that historical warrior women were transmen.🙄

Fucking hell, mumsnets descent into the sewer is gaining speed. How the fuck are they allowing adoration of Hitler and the Nazis to stand?

Hitler was not left wing.
Musk gave the nazi salute, not just once but twice.
Trump is embracing that ideology.
There are players talking down Labour because of the utter rejection of that ideology and jump on every small detail to cause discord.

I have no idea if op is right wing, they know whether they support that ideology. It is clear that some posters on here do.

Thank you for the recommendation but I've read most of Orwell. Animal Farm is based on the Russian Revolution and Stalinism.

Communism is meant to be a worldwide phenomenon and as such, it's said that we've never experienced it. We've had various interpretations of Communism but none have been truly Marxist.

Nazism can be interpreted as a reaction to the 1917 revolution and the spread of Communism as well as Germany's defeat in WWI.

In fact the Brownshirts were created in order to 'defend' Nazi meetings from attack whilst using force to break up leftist meetings, demonstrations, strikes and uprisings.

This won them support from businesses who appreciated them destroying trade unions, which brought them large financial donations. The Nazis didn't support the confiscation of property, rather they used state power to support businesses via military contracts and civil engineering projects. This was to be paid for from military conquest and confiscated assets from occupied areas.

This is of course where Jewish people became a convenient scapegoat. Not only did the Nazis take Jewish businesses which alleviated competition, but they placed the unemployed in vacancies from the expulsion of Jewish workers.

They also blamed Jewish people for anything that went wrong such as corruption, military defeat and Communism.

Regarding social values, Nazism and Communism are diametrically opposed. For example Communists believe in the equality of the sexes and women entering the workforce. The Nazis believed in gender essentialism.

The Nazis believed in eugenics, linking bad genetics with social problems. This was completely rejected by Communists who also rejected Nazi notions of racial hierarchy. Communists believe in international solidarity.

I agree It's worrying how right wing and intolerant many of these posts are. I thought attitudes were supposed to get better over time not worse.
It scares me how little people understand and are prepared to learn fro.history

And I too have read Capital. However, the outcome of communism in most countries has been the emergence of a strong ruling class and a disenfranchised proletariat. Alas, humans are like that. Not that it excuse Nazi Germany of anything, of course, but communism and fascim are quite close bed-fellows.

We've experienced interpretations of Communism but it can be argued that we've never actually seen Communism, which is meant to be worldwide and doesn't involve dictators.

Communism is meant to be a worldwide phenomenon and as such, it's said that we've never experienced it. We've had various interpretations of Communism but none have been truly Marxist.

Well there you go, it hasn't had the success some claim it would have. You'd be hard pressed to overcome human behaviours which influence the impact of the state.

She didn’t say she didn’t see it. She said she didn’t see it as a nazi salute

Can you point to the posts that are expressing ‘adoration’ of Hitler please?

It is true that there is a big problem in the Labour Party with anti semitism, this is not in question. The Labour Party themselves have acknowledged this on public record. That does not mean Hitler of all people was on the left?! He had a depraved ideology of his own.

You claim Elon Musk deliberately made a nazi salute which is based on guess work, and over interpretation. The hysteria around how an autistic man expresses himself is astonishing. Given his support of Israel - I find this salute idea extremely hard to believe.

Trump is interested in only thing, and one thing only and that is a booming America, and big business. That’s it.
He does not give a damn about the agendas around the fringes. He wants to secure the US, he wants to get a grip on the borders and he wants the US to remain the super power they have become.

No one cares about Hitler. No one cares about the Nazis. They are dead and buried. The greater risks to civilisation do not come from a bunch of dead people.

The real risks are AI, lethal pandemics and silent biological war.

I am afraid that's the 'no true Scotsman' fallacy. Several states have tried communism, but they didn't try real communism, so what they did isn't communism. I agree, communism has to be a world-wide system and doesn't work in one country but getting to world-wide communism is a long haul, and meantime we have various versions of 'communism in one country' to contend with and, for some reason, they mostly confirm to George Orwell's criticisms. I think the world has been naiave about communist countries. Certainly, when the Soviet Union was born right-thinking people in Europe fell over themselves to praise the system, ignoring (or ignorant of) the oppression that Stalin (but also Lenin) imposed, and the awful price that women paid by being considered the same as men - this particularly in China where the doctrine that women could do the same things as men led to pain, miscarriage, stillbirth because no account of women's reproductive role and its toll on the female body was taken into account in work rostas.
I'm not sure it's communism we want, but we do want a system where women's reproductive role is counted fully and work schedules, getting qualifications etc is built round that role so that the 'motherhood penalty' completely disappears.

That's also fine. The judgement of what he did is subjective. The OP is not right wing because she interprets something a different way. Mind, her 'friend' appears to be a woke useful idiot.

I'm not going to argue hypotheticals. We've seen dictatorships which have involved appalling loss of life, both Stalin and Mao were mass murderers.

Mass murder isn't laid out in Das Capital. Several countries have called themselves Communist. Starmer calls himself socialist; I've yet to see the evidence.

No one cares about Hitler. No one cares about the Nazis. They are dead and buried. The greater risks to civilisation do not come from a bunch of dead people

Have you not heard of neo-Nazis @dappledgreyandwhite ? Have you not seen Musk's enthusiastic endorsement of AfD?

The far-right (and I am not talking about people with everyday right wing Conservative views, before certain posters jump on me) might not seem a threat to you, but I see it as such. Look at how it is infiltrating social media, including here on this site, on this thread.

There are other threats as you say, but we ignore this one at our peril.

There will always be fringe groups of militants. To call the AfD neo nazis might be a stretch, but it’s possible a few exist. We don’t need to be fearful of a mass movement towards a neo nazi movement. I just can’t see that ever happening in any mainstream.

I simply don’t believe Musk is a neo Nazi. I don’t believe there is any appetite for any such thing anywhere.

Communism will never work because humans are hierarchical

To call the AfD neo nazis might be a stretch

I disagree.

I don’t believe there is any appetite for any such thing anywhere

Well you are not paying attention, then. You just have to have a look on SM to see that people still create conspiracy theories about Jewish people. And then there is the virulant anti-Muslim sentiments that also pollute SM.