Am I a far right extremist?

[Isitme245]

I had a conversation with my best friend of 25 years the other day and she called me a far right extremist and how my views are scary, dangerous and 'nazi coded'
I was really shocked as I didn't think any of what I said was bad. I'm not a particularly avid supporter of any political party and very much keep opinions to myself. She's very supportive of labour and anti trump and always has been. Usually when she asks me my opinions I just don't want to get into it but I did the other night and now I feel bad.

Here's the breakdown:

• she sent me an article and told me that Nigel Farage is going to ban abortion eventually if he wins an election. I read the article and pointed out he only suggested lowering the abortion cut off date to 22 weeks (not 24 as it is now). I told her it wasn't the end of the world and it's reasonable if you read his reasons. I also made the point that men shouldn't really be getting involved in abortion law but that what he said wasn't the end of the world.

• she asked me about immigration and I said that it's great but that we should be prioritising skilled immigrants and have stronger immigration laws. She also asked about asylum seekers and hotels and I said that we should have stronger laws about monitoring people and collecting documentation when people arrive.

• she sent me and asked about Elon Musk's Nazi salute and I said I didn't interpret it that way

• I said that immigrants who rape or murder should be deported.

To me this feels really reasonable and not over the top but she really attacked me for it? Now I feel really awkward and uncomfortable talking to her. Is this far right??

If you read my posts, which you have quoted, you'll see I've already mentioned the the Night of the Long Knives. In fact Hitler killed Otto Strasser who was the head of the left wing of the party.

What you're attempting to argue is that Hitler was a socialist and killed anyone left wing, including the left wing of his party because he didn't want the competition. He wanted to be the only left wing person in his government.

As a woman I think there should be some legal protections for post-viability babies. I'm comfortable with the current legislation which doesn't restrict medically urgent cases but does mean you can't just decide on a whim to have an abortion past that limit. As I understand it this doesn't really happen in practice, aside from isolated cases which get a lot of press and where the majority of the population are comfortable with prosecution.

I think there is a bigger threat to these protections (life of mother/child in late term) if we import American-style "abortion is an unqualified right, shout your abortion!!" politics. The vast majority of public support for abortion is actually in first trimester, with grey area re: how far into the second to go to. The public is also okay with a sober acceptance that sometimes due to very sad circumstances, it's not possible to continue a late-term pregnancy. I don't think that there is a need to loosen our abortion laws further and make it fully elective to term - if anything, a public debate would likely result in a lower term limit for elective abortions (perhaps to somewhere between 14-18 weeks) due to backlash and the public realising that medical exceptions would still be possible to term.

@username299

"What you're attempting to argue is that Hitler was a socialist and killed anyone left wing, including the left wing of his party because he didn't want the competition. He wanted to be the only left wing person in his government."

What I am putting forward is that the Nazi Party shared more common ideology with socialism than it ever did with right wing free market capitalism.

For example:
• farmers should be given their land
• pensions should improve
• public industries such as electricity and water should be owned by the state

He didn't just kill left wing people he also killed right wing people. He even killed members of the church.

More importantly he killed these individuals and groups simply because they represented a political threat to him (from left, right or religion or whatever) and his Nazi Party.

I don't think these issues are linked.
It is possible to have a different opinion to Trump on the right of women to access safe abortions, and also be delighted at his strong stance on the trans issue.
How do you feel about the fact that women prisoners in the US will no longer be locked up with dangerous men, some of whom convicted rapists and murderers?

I don’t see what you said as remotely far right. I agree with what you’re saying. Probably centrist/centre right.

No they weren't.🙈

You don't understand the basic tenants of either far right or far left ideology. The NSP originally started out as a socialist party but when Hitler came to power was fascist.

Hitler then purged both the party and society of socialists, communists and trade unionists.

I understand that you think he was just making sure he had no competition but he wasn't left wing.

The foundation of Nazi ideology is Hitler's belief in German racial superiority and the dangers of Communism. He believed in the subordination of the individual to the state which is diametrically opposed to Communism.

Don’t assume immigrants support open boarders and uncontrolled immigration … many absolutely don’t. It’s often their jobs, housing & communities that are mostly directly negatively impacted.

But if there is a severe abnormality then the time limit on abortion no longer operates, does it (because it doesn't now). Abortion because of severe abnormality would be allowed - we are not talking cleft palettes and club foots here, btw, but severe, life-limiting conditions where a child will have no viable life or will die within hours or days in pain and distress.

I am not surprised you feel uncomfortable. Your beliefs are mainstream. Most countries, for example, have strict immigration laws, favouring immigrants with skills the country needs. Deporting non-citizen criminals such as murderers is felt by many to be something that ought to be done (though it does undermine the possibility of rehabilitation, perhaps).
I can't comment on Musk since I have not see his hand/arm gestures - but all such gestures are open to interpretation and 'not seeing it as a Nazi salute' does not make you right wing, it just means you have a different interpretation of a scenario.
Your friend who is part Pakistani is also barking up the wrong tree. She was born here, so is not an immigrant, and her father has a skill the UK wants even if he was not born here. Your ideas are no threat to her family whatsoever - nor to anyone like her (for example, my DC who are dual-heritage and whose father was not born in the UK).

Your friend owes you an apology. She also might like to consider how her views fit into maintaining a stable society, too. But if you lose her as a friend it will be little loss, for she obviously considers you to be a person in need of help and unable to make up their own mind on issues - this is what I see as her thinking you are being 'radicalised'. She has infantilized you, in effect.

I'm not at all sure that subbordinating the individual to the state is antithetical to communism where the few are subbordinated to the needs of the many.

I'm on Mumsnet being gaslit about how the fucking Nazis were left wing.

Fuck 2025.

I think whether or when a woman has an abortion is none of anyone’s business and that no one has the right to opine about it

About one-third of immigrants voted to leave the EU on grounds of open borders and also immigration rules that put their families at a disadvantage compared to (white European) immigrant from the rest of the EU. So you are right. Immigrants generally want controlled immigration, too, because, as you say, their communities are the ones that suffer from excess immigration.

I don't see as gas lighting but more of an opportunity to improve both your history knowledge and interpretation of history.

"Hitler allied himself with leaders of German conservative and nationalist movements, and in January 1933 German President Paul von Hindenburg appointed him chancellor. Hitler’s Third Reich had been born, and it was entirely fascist in character.

Within two months Hitler achieved full dictatorial power through the Enabling Act.

In April 1933 communists, socialists, democrats, and Jews were purged from the German civil service, and trade unions were outlawed the following month.

That July Hitler banned all political parties other than his own, and prominent members of the German Communist Party and the Social Democratic Party were arrested and imprisoned in concentration camps.

Lest there be any remaining questions about the political character of the Nazi revolution, Hitler ordered the murder of Gregor Strasser, an act that was carried out on June 30, 1934, during the Night of the Long Knives. Any remaining traces of socialist thought in the Nazi Party had been extinguished"

https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists

I worry that although you may not be far right, you are a dangerous group because you will support far right people who sanitise things just enough for people like you to vote for it. And then before you know it Musk is doing a Nazi salute and you think that’s fine. You’re not far right but you are a dangerous.

It's not gaslighting. It's straight up Lying and disinformation. I doubt the timing of this shit is a coincidence.🤨

You’re not far right but you are a dangerous.

And you don't see the inherent danger of labelling individuals as "dangerous" for having some fairly non-remarkable views?

Yep. Rewriting history in the most abhorrent way.

We'll have the Holocaust deniers sliming on to MN next. If they haven't already.

I don't disagree with you at all on your second paragraph. I think this is very wise.

But we certainly don't want the likes of Farage reducing the 24 week limit..

Nazism has a hierarchy and a deep rooted belief in the strong ruling the weak. Communism is based on the liberation of the proletariat or the working class; it's a classless society without capitalism or privatisation.

well the views are dangerous to immigrants, dangerous for race relations, dangerous for women and it’s certainly dangerous that anyone thinks a nazi salute is no biggie

When people say that they are against abortion, I would say that's fine, don't have one then but don't stop other women from accessing one.

Bait post. We all know that's probably not only what you said or likely how you worded it either.
And who cares if you hold far right views their are many of your ilk about now.

I've said the stuff you typed and not been called far right which is why I think you said more than that with coded language.

I am all for foreign criminals being sent back to their country of origin and am very vocal in trying to get Spain to ship English criminals back (we have alot of them being a drain on the countries resources)