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Isitme245 · 2025-01-25T11:30:20+00:00

I had a conversation with my best friend of 25 years the other day and she called me a far right extremist and how my views are scary, dangerous and 'nazi coded' I was really shocked as I didn't think any of what I said was bad. I'm not a particularly avid supporter of any political party and very much keep opinions to myself. She's very supportive of labour and anti trump and always has been. Usually when she asks me my opinions I just don't want to get into it but I did the other night and now I feel bad. Here's the breakdown: - she sent me an article and told me that Nigel Farage is going to ban abortion eventually if he wins an election. I read the article and pointed out he only suggested lowering the abortion cut off date to 22 weeks (not 24 as it is now). I told her it wasn't the end of the world and it's reasonable if you read his reasons. I also made the point that men shouldn't really be getting involved in abortion law but that what he said wasn't the end of the world. - she asked me about immigration and I said that it's great but that we should be prioritising skilled immigrants and have stronger immigration laws. She also asked about asylum seekers and hotels and I said that we should have stronger laws about monitoring people and collecting documentation when people arrive. - she sent me and asked about Elon Musk's Nazi salute and I said I didn't interpret it that way - I said that immigrants who rape or murder should be deported. To me this feels really reasonable and not over the top but she really attacked me for it? Now I feel really awkward and uncomfortable talking to her. Is this far right??

GretchenWienersHair · 26/01/2025 11:24

AlisonDonut · 26/01/2025 11:03

Can I point out which party in the UK are currently putting a bill through parliament which will result in old, ill, unhappy and generally not fit and healthy people being 'voluntarily unalived'.

Lets not forget that in so called socialist utopia Canada, people applied for handrails and help with getting up the stairs and were offered MAID instead. And it's coming to the UK soon. And this is now. It's a current policy.

Yes, ok I will. It's the apparent 'left wing Labour party'.

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I’m not sure what that has to do with what I’ve said, but thank you for sharing anyway.

PandoraSox · 26/01/2025 11:25

Betchyaby · 26/01/2025 11:23

Boring, There you go with the labels... I wondered how long it would be before that started.

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OK, so link to your source as I have linked to mine.

username299 · 26/01/2025 11:25

Betchyaby · 26/01/2025 11:16

Already done that upthread.

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I saw that.

Why do you think Hitler got rid off socialists and trade unionists when he rose to power? In July 1933 Hitler banned all other political parties and arrested members of the Communist Party and Socialist Democratic Party - they were put in concentration camps. June 30 1934 extinguished any remaining socialism.

Nice try though.

username299 · 26/01/2025 11:28

1dayatatime · 26/01/2025 11:21

@username299

"In what way were the Nazis left wing?"
I am always happy to help others learn about history as it's a great subject:

So in answer to your question the economic policies of the Nazis were most definitely left wing:
• farmers should be given their land
• pensions should improve
• public industries such as electricity and water should be owned by the state

Some policies they share with the left such as:
• focused on creating a strong central government
• government control of the newspapers

It also depends on how you define left or right. Personally I think the whole racial superiority thing or social Darwinism is a policy or belief system out in it's own with nothing to do with left or right.

My own definition of left or right relates more to the level of state involvement in society and the economy.

So a far right wing approach would be full on capitalism with little state involvement, low taxes, "you need a road then build it yourself", no state health care or education, little restrictions on what you can buy or sell. For example the UK and US in Victorian times.

Whereas the far left is all about state control in society and the economy. For example Communism in the Soviet Union in the 30s or China in the 60s and 70s.

Thank you for educating me on how the Nazis were left wing. I've learnt a lot.

Lostcat · 26/01/2025 11:29

Another2Cats · 26/01/2025 10:52

"...before 24 weeks and if other conditions apply."

OK, I see your mistake here. It doesn't say "and" it says "or".

So it's either 24 weeks or some other condition applies

"(a) that the pregnancy has not exceeded its twenty-fourth week and that the continuance of the pregnancy would involve risk, greater than if the pregnancy were terminated, of injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman or any existing children of her family; or"

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Oh wow I had not realised that. Apologies.

cardibach · 26/01/2025 11:31

lifeturnsonadime · 26/01/2025 00:01

Which friend? I'm not the OP, have you got me confused? It wasn't a friend who told me that I was right wing for not wanting open borders, no idea where you've got that idea from.

I wasn't trying to be condescending either. You said you were tired and I was being sympathetic.

I think you're trying to be argumentative so I'll give up : )

good night.

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So it wasn’t a friend who told you you were far right? I just assumed as I d8nt go around telling strangers. Ok. You’re still condescending. I wasn’t argumentative though. I was trying to discuss. I’ll stop now as it’s clearly pointless.

KTheGrey · 26/01/2025 11:37

ArtTheClown · 26/01/2025 10:25

Do you have a link to the statistics or could you tell me where to find it?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/05/foreign-national-crime-league-table-sexual-offence-migrants/

But maybe you live in a shitty white rural place where you never met any foreigners anyway so you have no idea.

I don't know why anyone would think that this is an okay thing to say. If you were in an African country, would you be comfortable referring to a "shitty black rural place"?

Agree. Just unpleasant. Kind of anti-countryside / provinces.

Lostcat · 26/01/2025 11:39

Lostcat · 26/01/2025 11:29

Oh wow I had not realised that. Apologies.

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In which case I agree. The circumstances in which women between 22-24 weeks pregnant are having abortions would fulfil these other conditions. However, relying on these other exceptions it takes the decision out of the hands of the woman concerned and places it in the hands of “authorities”- which also makes access to abortion in those cases more challenging/ puts doctors and women at risk on criminal prosecution if they make a wrong judgement . This is fundamentally patriarchal and therefore still abhorrent in my view.

Feelingathomenow · 26/01/2025 11:47

ilovesooty · 26/01/2025 11:17

We don't all know any such thing.

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Sorry, the critically thinking all know Angela will be heading up the Ministry of Love before the years out, the woman has made a career out of being their lamb on call should sacrifice be needed. Look how often she appeared during Covid v Starmer who seemed to take lock down so seriously he wasn’t even risking interacting with others through a camera.

AlisonDonut · 26/01/2025 12:02

GretchenWienersHair · 26/01/2025 11:24

I’m not sure what that has to do with what I’ve said, but thank you for sharing anyway.

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Oh aye right, course you can't connect 'superior race' with 'getting rid of inferior people'.

Spidey66 · 26/01/2025 12:04

Isitme245 · 25/01/2025 11:36

I'm not sure but when watching it my mind didn't automatically go 'Nazi'
This is what I told her

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Mine went straight to Nazi salute!

SourDoe · 26/01/2025 12:05

Betchyaby · 26/01/2025 10:42

Do you realise the Nazis were left wing socialists? It always cracks me up when someone refers to ring wing people as Nazis or fascists.

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What are your sources on this? And I don’t mean because they called themselves The National Socialist Party because that was a deliberate attempt to rebrand the concept of socialism on their part. It was like Trump rebranding lying as fake news. It was a nonsense that some people saw through and others didn’t.

Having right wing views doesn’t make someone a fascist or a Nazi but having very extreme right wing views does. Equally having left wing views doesn’t make someone a communist but take it to the extreme and it does. I think we need to think in terms of centrist and extremist instead of left and right at this point.

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Isitme245 · 26/01/2025 12:07

@username299
His job is relevant because as a paediatrician he is a highly skilled immigrant and very valuable to the country. My argument was that the UK should prioritise skilled immigrants therefore the mutual friend should take zero offence as her dad is exactly this.
You're the one that took me mentioning an immigrant man working with children and plucked the word paedophile out of nowhere. Don't put words in my mouth

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user1471516498 · 26/01/2025 12:08

Betchyaby · 26/01/2025 11:07

'The Nazis were left-wing socialists. Yes, the National Socialist Workers Party of Germany, otherwise known as the Nazi Party, was indeed socialist and it had a lot in common with the modern left. Hitler preached class warfare, agitating the working class to resist "exploitation" by capitalists , particularly Jewish capitalists, of course. Their programs called for the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, and other major industries. They instituted and vigorously enforced a strict gun control regimen. They encouraged pornography, illegitimacy, and abortion, and they denounced Christians as right-wing fanatics. Yet a popular myth persists that the Nazis themselves were right-wing extremists. This insidious lie biases the entire political landscape today.'

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I always remember the bit in Peaky Blinders where Thomas Shelby points out that it isn't a straight line from left to right wing, it is a circle. So if you go far enough left you get to the far right.

username299 · 26/01/2025 12:15

Isitme245 · 26/01/2025 12:07

@username299
His job is relevant because as a paediatrician he is a highly skilled immigrant and very valuable to the country. My argument was that the UK should prioritise skilled immigrants therefore the mutual friend should take zero offence as her dad is exactly this.
You're the one that took me mentioning an immigrant man working with children and plucked the word paedophile out of nowhere. Don't put words in my mouth

I didn't put words in your mouth. You said that an Asian woman felt as though your views put her in danger because her husband was a paediatrician.

We have recently had a lot of headlines about children being raped by men of Pakistani heritage.

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Isitme245 · 26/01/2025 12:27

@username299 you clearly didn't read my post properly because I never said husband. Have a look back at it. I said that my friend has told a mutual friend of ours about my views and she now thinks that my views are dangerous towards her and her family.
The mutual friend is half Pakistani and her DAD is a paediatrician who moved to this country to work.
My views on immigration do not affect her or her dad as she was born here and he is a skilled immigrant, which implies that the first friend has skewed what I've said to make it sound a lot worse.

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username299 · 26/01/2025 12:35

Isitme245 · 26/01/2025 12:27

@username299 you clearly didn't read my post properly because I never said husband. Have a look back at it. I said that my friend has told a mutual friend of ours about my views and she now thinks that my views are dangerous towards her and her family.
The mutual friend is half Pakistani and her DAD is a paediatrician who moved to this country to work.
My views on immigration do not affect her or her dad as she was born here and he is a skilled immigrant, which implies that the first friend has skewed what I've said to make it sound a lot worse.

I read your post a few hours ago and it was late. However you didn't say why you mentioned her father's job. Had you said he's a skilled worker, I wouldn't have wondered what you were saying.

You said this:

She told me she'd told a mutual friend of ours (that we're meant to be meeting tomorrow) about our conversation and apparently the friend is upset because my views endanger her and her family. The mutual friend is half Pakistani on her dad's side, was born in the UK and her dad is a paediatrician.

I'm sure you can understand that given the current climate, their Pakistani heritage and the link with children - it was natural to question what you had been saying.

GretchenWienersHair · 26/01/2025 12:36

AlisonDonut · 26/01/2025 12:02

Oh aye right, course you can't connect 'superior race' with 'getting rid of inferior people'.

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I am genuinely confused. Please explain the point you’re trying to make, or at least what point you think I’m trying to make?

1dayatatime · 26/01/2025 12:43

@username299

"I saw that.

Why do you think Hitler got rid off socialists and trade unionists when he rose to power? In July 1933 Hitler banned all other political parties and arrested members of the Communist Party and Socialist Democratic Party - they were put in concentration camps. June 30 1934 extinguished any remaining socialism.

Nice try though."

Hitler got rid of socialists, communists, trade unions and all other political parties including other right wing movements such as the SA simply because they were competing political parties or groups that could pose a political threat to him in the future.

username299 · 26/01/2025 12:45

1dayatatime · 26/01/2025 12:43

@username299

"I saw that.

Why do you think Hitler got rid off socialists and trade unionists when he rose to power? In July 1933 Hitler banned all other political parties and arrested members of the Communist Party and Socialist Democratic Party - they were put in concentration camps. June 30 1934 extinguished any remaining socialism.

Nice try though."

Hitler got rid of socialists, communists, trade unions and all other political parties including other right wing movements such as the SA simply because they were competing political parties or groups that could pose a political threat to him in the future.

Yes he did. He killed anyone with socialist views and put them in camps.

1dayatatime · 26/01/2025 13:10

@username299

"Yes he did. He killed anyone with socialist views and put them in camps."

More accurately I would say "He killed anyone in a competing political group even if they were aligned with his views".

So it little to do with being anti socialist or communist and everything to do with removing the competition. There is a big difference.

username299 · 26/01/2025 13:14

1dayatatime · 26/01/2025 13:10

@username299

"Yes he did. He killed anyone with socialist views and put them in camps."

More accurately I would say "He killed anyone in a competing political group even if they were aligned with his views".

So it little to do with being anti socialist or communist and everything to do with removing the competition. There is a big difference.

He specifically killed anyone with socialist views. He purged the party of left wing views.

I've heard this a lot recently; people calling the left wing fascists, denying far right has any meaning and saying that Nazis are socialist. It's amazing what people believe.

1dayatatime · 26/01/2025 13:23

@username299

"He specifically killed anyone with socialist views. He purged the party of left wing views.

I've heard this a lot recently; people calling the left wing fascists, denying far right has any meaning and saying that Nazis are socialist. It's amazing what people believe."

I think we are getting to the key point where you have misunderstood or lack historical knowledge or subconsciously interpret history to fit today's beliefs.

Hitler specifically targeted anyone or any group that were not part of his Nazi Party. He even targeted those groups that were aligned with his views but posed a potential political threat to the dominance of the Nazi Party.

A good example for you to read is a purge called the "Night of the Long Knives" where Hitler ordered the removal of the potential political threat of the SA.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night offthe LonggKnives

Whoarethoseguys · 26/01/2025 13:25

Betchyaby · 26/01/2025 10:42

Do you realise the Nazis were left wing socialists? It always cracks me up when someone refers to ring wing people as Nazis or fascists.

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Don't be ridiculous. This is when I despair of our education system.
The Nazis were the opposite of socialists! Anyone looking to have any socialist ideas ended up in a concentration camp!

1dayatatime · 26/01/2025 13:31

@Whoarethoseguys

"Don't be ridiculous. This is when I despair of our education system.
The Nazis were the opposite of socialists! Anyone looking to have any socialist ideas ended up in a concentration camp!"

I agree with you that I also despair about the lack of historical understanding from many posters. But for different reasons.

Anyone in a competing political group regardless of whether they were socialists or even a competing right wing group ended up in a concentration camp.

Also how can you claim that the Nazis were the opposite of socialists when their policies included the following which completely aligned with socialism:

&bull;	farmers should be given their land
&bull;	pensions should improve
&bull;	public industries such as electricity and water should be owned by the state