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Am I a far right extremist?

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Isitme245 · 25/01/2025 11:30

I had a conversation with my best friend of 25 years the other day and she called me a far right extremist and how my views are scary, dangerous and 'nazi coded'
I was really shocked as I didn't think any of what I said was bad. I'm not a particularly avid supporter of any political party and very much keep opinions to myself. She's very supportive of labour and anti trump and always has been. Usually when she asks me my opinions I just don't want to get into it but I did the other night and now I feel bad.

Here's the breakdown:

  • she sent me an article and told me that Nigel Farage is going to ban abortion eventually if he wins an election. I read the article and pointed out he only suggested lowering the abortion cut off date to 22 weeks (not 24 as it is now). I told her it wasn't the end of the world and it's reasonable if you read his reasons. I also made the point that men shouldn't really be getting involved in abortion law but that what he said wasn't the end of the world.
  • she asked me about immigration and I said that it's great but that we should be prioritising skilled immigrants and have stronger immigration laws. She also asked about asylum seekers and hotels and I said that we should have stronger laws about monitoring people and collecting documentation when people arrive.
  • she sent me and asked about Elon Musk's Nazi salute and I said I didn't interpret it that way
  • I said that immigrants who rape or murder should be deported.

To me this feels really reasonable and not over the top but she really attacked me for it? Now I feel really awkward and uncomfortable talking to her. Is this far right??

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Betchyaby · 26/01/2025 11:07

GretchenWienersHair · 26/01/2025 10:49

In what way? Economically? Socially they were very much right wing. Wanting the “pure” race etc. I’m not sure I understand enough about economics to say whether they stood in the right or left in that sense, but I suppose they were about taking back the wealth for the people (or at least, the ones they saw suitable), so I can see why that might be seen as left wing. The whole “superior race” malarkey was definitely right wing though. And that’s the stand out part.

'The Nazis were left-wing socialists. Yes, the National Socialist Workers Party of Germany, otherwise known as the Nazi Party, was indeed socialist and it had a lot in common with the modern left. Hitler preached class warfare, agitating the working class to resist "exploitation" by capitalists , particularly Jewish capitalists, of course. Their programs called for the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, and other major industries. They instituted and vigorously enforced a strict gun control regimen. They encouraged pornography, illegitimacy, and abortion, and they denounced Christians as right-wing fanatics. Yet a popular myth persists that the Nazis themselves were right-wing extremists. This insidious lie biases the entire political landscape today.'

thepariscrimefiles · 26/01/2025 11:07

Feelingathomenow · 26/01/2025 11:02

What a bizarre answer! Are only white men known to women?

I think the Muslim Pakistani rape gangs are more prolific, have more victims than any of those individuals you mention. And probably highlights the individual/institutional problem v the group/institutionsl problem

A Home Office report in 2020 confirmed that the majority of child sexual abuse gangs are made up of white men under the age of 30.

Betchyaby · 26/01/2025 11:08

thepariscrimefiles · 26/01/2025 11:07

A Home Office report in 2020 confirmed that the majority of child sexual abuse gangs are made up of white men under the age of 30.

Another person who needs to learn about per capita.

thepariscrimefiles · 26/01/2025 11:10

Betchyaby · 26/01/2025 11:07

'The Nazis were left-wing socialists. Yes, the National Socialist Workers Party of Germany, otherwise known as the Nazi Party, was indeed socialist and it had a lot in common with the modern left. Hitler preached class warfare, agitating the working class to resist "exploitation" by capitalists , particularly Jewish capitalists, of course. Their programs called for the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, and other major industries. They instituted and vigorously enforced a strict gun control regimen. They encouraged pornography, illegitimacy, and abortion, and they denounced Christians as right-wing fanatics. Yet a popular myth persists that the Nazis themselves were right-wing extremists. This insidious lie biases the entire political landscape today.'

Where is this quote from?

Feelingathomenow · 26/01/2025 11:10

thepariscrimefiles · 26/01/2025 11:07

A Home Office report in 2020 confirmed that the majority of child sexual abuse gangs are made up of white men under the age of 30.

I’m sorry, but you’re missing the point about this issue. Is there a problem with misogyny on the UK? Yes there is. Is there a problem with some of those misogynists targeting young girls because they have a joint belief that the race the girls belong to is inferior to their own? this makes it also a cultural problem.

you also need to consider representation in proportion to the country’s demographics

PandoraSox · 26/01/2025 11:11

Betchyaby · 26/01/2025 11:07

'The Nazis were left-wing socialists. Yes, the National Socialist Workers Party of Germany, otherwise known as the Nazi Party, was indeed socialist and it had a lot in common with the modern left. Hitler preached class warfare, agitating the working class to resist "exploitation" by capitalists , particularly Jewish capitalists, of course. Their programs called for the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, and other major industries. They instituted and vigorously enforced a strict gun control regimen. They encouraged pornography, illegitimacy, and abortion, and they denounced Christians as right-wing fanatics. Yet a popular myth persists that the Nazis themselves were right-wing extremists. This insidious lie biases the entire political landscape today.'

Link please? It helps to see who has written this and why.

Betchyaby · 26/01/2025 11:11

thepariscrimefiles · 26/01/2025 11:10

Where is this quote from?

Why does it matter if the contents are true and easily proven to be.

CurlewKate · 26/01/2025 11:12

@Betchyaby Can you source your quote, please?

CurlewKate · 26/01/2025 11:13

@Betchyaby "Why does it matter if the contents are true and easily proven to be."

Because it's your job to back up your quote, not ours to fact check you.

Feelingathomenow · 26/01/2025 11:13

thepariscrimefiles · 26/01/2025 11:10

Where is this quote from?

Well to be honest alot of those things are true. There are reasons behind many of these policies. The Nazis are classified as right wing largely due to their nationalism and race superiority.

I personally think left and right are really defunct and should be replaced with nationalism v globalism.

username299 · 26/01/2025 11:15

Betchyaby · 26/01/2025 10:53

Jesus Christ. I'm not about to write a 1000 word essay giving you a history lesson on Nazism. Didn't you just call me ignorant? Ironic.

I didn't ask you for a thesis on the Nazis. I asked you how they are left wing. Surely you know what being left wing involves.

ilovesooty · 26/01/2025 11:15

AlisonDonut · 26/01/2025 11:03

Can I point out which party in the UK are currently putting a bill through parliament which will result in old, ill, unhappy and generally not fit and healthy people being 'voluntarily unalived'.

Lets not forget that in so called socialist utopia Canada, people applied for handrails and help with getting up the stairs and were offered MAID instead. And it's coming to the UK soon. And this is now. It's a current policy.

Yes, ok I will. It's the apparent 'left wing Labour party'.

It was a private members' bill. The Labour MPs were not whipped to support it.

PandoraSox · 26/01/2025 11:16

Betchyaby · 26/01/2025 11:11

Why does it matter if the contents are true and easily proven to be.

A more reliable source than your unattributed far-right rhetoric.

www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists

Betchyaby · 26/01/2025 11:16

CurlewKate · 26/01/2025 11:13

@Betchyaby "Why does it matter if the contents are true and easily proven to be."

Because it's your job to back up your quote, not ours to fact check you.

What is to back up? It's your job to educate yourself. A quick Google search can confirm the claims to be true.

thepariscrimefiles · 26/01/2025 11:16

JFC it's like Stormfront on here.

Betchyaby · 26/01/2025 11:16

username299 · 26/01/2025 11:15

I didn't ask you for a thesis on the Nazis. I asked you how they are left wing. Surely you know what being left wing involves.

Already done that upthread.

ilovesooty · 26/01/2025 11:17

Feelingathomenow · 26/01/2025 11:06

We all know Angela will be heading up the Ministry of Love before the years out!

We don't all know any such thing.

PandoraSox · 26/01/2025 11:18

Betchyaby · 26/01/2025 11:16

Already done that upthread.

www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists

Macrodatarefiner · 26/01/2025 11:18

Betchyaby · 26/01/2025 11:07

'The Nazis were left-wing socialists. Yes, the National Socialist Workers Party of Germany, otherwise known as the Nazi Party, was indeed socialist and it had a lot in common with the modern left. Hitler preached class warfare, agitating the working class to resist "exploitation" by capitalists , particularly Jewish capitalists, of course. Their programs called for the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, and other major industries. They instituted and vigorously enforced a strict gun control regimen. They encouraged pornography, illegitimacy, and abortion, and they denounced Christians as right-wing fanatics. Yet a popular myth persists that the Nazis themselves were right-wing extremists. This insidious lie biases the entire political landscape today.'

Sorry, haven't read the thread, but where did you get the bit about Nazis encouraging pornography, illegitimacy and abortion?

Macrodatarefiner · 26/01/2025 11:20

ilovesooty · 26/01/2025 11:15

It was a private members' bill. The Labour MPs were not whipped to support it.

On behalf of NGOs

thepariscrimefiles · 26/01/2025 11:20

Betchyaby · 26/01/2025 11:11

Why does it matter if the contents are true and easily proven to be.

'The majority of scholars identify Nazism in both theory and practice as a form of far-right politics. Far-right themes in Nazism include the argument that superior people have a right to dominate other people and purge society of supposed inferior elements.'

Macrodatarefiner · 26/01/2025 11:21

ilovesooty · 26/01/2025 11:15

It was a private members' bill. The Labour MPs were not whipped to support it.

It was the left last time too, Fabian society et al, eugenicists. That's uncontroversial

1dayatatime · 26/01/2025 11:21

@username299

"In what way were the Nazis left wing?"
I am always happy to help others learn about history as it's a great subject:

So in answer to your question the economic policies of the Nazis were most definitely left wing:
• farmers should be given their land
• pensions should improve
• public industries such as electricity and water should be owned by the state

Some policies they share with the left such as:
• focused on creating a strong central government
• government control of the newspapers

It also depends on how you define left or right. Personally I think the whole racial superiority thing or social Darwinism is a policy or belief system out in it's own with nothing to do with left or right.

My own definition of left or right relates more to the level of state involvement in society and the economy.

So a far right wing approach would be full on capitalism with little state involvement, low taxes, "you need a road then build it yourself", no state health care or education, little restrictions on what you can buy or sell. For example the UK and US in Victorian times.

Whereas the far left is all about state control in society and the economy. For example Communism in the Soviet Union in the 30s or China in the 60s and 70s.

Betchyaby · 26/01/2025 11:23

PandoraSox · 26/01/2025 11:16

A more reliable source than your unattributed far-right rhetoric.

www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists

Boring, There you go with the labels... I wondered how long it would be before that started.

PandoraSox · 26/01/2025 11:24

"In April 1933 communists, socialists, democrats, and Jews were purged from the German civil service, and trade unions were outlawed the following month. That July Hitler banned all political parties other than his own, and prominent members of the German Communist Party and the Social Democratic Party were arrested and imprisoned in concentration camps. Lest there be any remaining questions about the political character of the Nazi revolution, Hitler ordered the murder of Gregor Strasser, an act that was carried out on June 30, 1934, during the Night of the Long Knives. Any remaining traces of socialist thought in the Nazi Party had been extinguished"

www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists

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