Am I a far right extremist?

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I had a conversation with my best friend of 25 years the other day and she called me a far right extremist and how my views are scary, dangerous and 'nazi coded'
I was really shocked as I didn't think any of what I said was bad. I'm not a particularly avid supporter of any political party and very much keep opinions to myself. She's very supportive of labour and anti trump and always has been. Usually when she asks me my opinions I just don't want to get into it but I did the other night and now I feel bad.

Here's the breakdown:

• she sent me an article and told me that Nigel Farage is going to ban abortion eventually if he wins an election. I read the article and pointed out he only suggested lowering the abortion cut off date to 22 weeks (not 24 as it is now). I told her it wasn't the end of the world and it's reasonable if you read his reasons. I also made the point that men shouldn't really be getting involved in abortion law but that what he said wasn't the end of the world.

• she asked me about immigration and I said that it's great but that we should be prioritising skilled immigrants and have stronger immigration laws. She also asked about asylum seekers and hotels and I said that we should have stronger laws about monitoring people and collecting documentation when people arrive.

• she sent me and asked about Elon Musk's Nazi salute and I said I didn't interpret it that way

• I said that immigrants who rape or murder should be deported.

To me this feels really reasonable and not over the top but she really attacked me for it? Now I feel really awkward and uncomfortable talking to her. Is this far right??

Do you realise the Nazis were left wing socialists? It always cracks me up when someone refers to ring wing people as Nazis or fascists.

The level of ignorance on MN is astounding.

Honestly, this is part of the problem at the moment. There is such little tolerance for views that don’t align with yours - I see this more so with left wing friends. I am quite conservative in my views on finances and economics, etc. I agree with OPs views on asylum - we need a system like Australia where people entering this country will add value rather than suck an already dry pool even dryer. Criminals (especially dangerous criminals) should be charged and transported back to their country as soon as their sentence is complete - why should a plane full of people who don’t know the situation mean that they get a stay in this country to commit more crime?

However, I’m very liberal on rights and social issues - abortion can often be a medical need and I’d rather kids were born to people that wanted them, love is love, etc.

My very best friend is quite opposite me on economic issues - I grew up in the midlands to a hardworking country family and she grew up in London living quite a cosmopolitan lifestyle. We agreed a long time ago to disagree and never discuss politics again. She’s a big part of my world and my support system and I’d be lost without her in many ways, even though we are both now busy with kids and live in different parts of the country.

It’s such a shame your friend can’t accept your views differ and carry on. There is no way your views are extremist - in fact the European trend seems to be showing more people align with your views than hers. She’s going to get a rude awakening when Labour are through and there’s another general election because I’m not sure they’ll get another term at this rate. Unemployment up, businesses struggling already with extra taxation, etc.

OP, at this point your friend is being condescending. If you had said the same to her (‘I’m going to help you through this, you are being radicalised, etc’) how would she react? Personally if you have other friends (I’ve always had low numbers here!) then I’d tell her to shove her help where the sun doesn’t shine. 😬😬

Well exactly - this is why we left Birmingham. I spent years walking back alone across the city centre late on a Friday night to get the train home never felt threatened.

Went back recently, I felt so intimidated. Lots of groups of men staring, few women. This was at 5pm - I felt incredibly intimidated. Went straight to my hotel. Got a taxi from outside my hotel to the gig then a taxi straight back even though it was a 10 min walk.

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I wholeheartedly agree with this. From the tone of your post, I assume we stand on opposing sides of the centre (you sound more right leaning whereas I stand firmly on the left - forgive me if I’ve misinterpreted that), but that doesn’t change the fact that people are heading to extremes because they feel unheard, for whatever reason.

I just watched an interesting video from economist Gary Stevenson, discussing the rise of what he calls “anti-immigrant” sentiment to avoid labelling anyone “far right”, and its links to the global elites. It was interesting. Here is the link, if anyone wants to watch. (Heads up, it’s quite long for an Instagram post.)

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DFAG7l-SV_Z/?igsh=MXUzem14dndvdjJraw%3D%3D

You're laughing at people calling Nazi's and fascists far right.

No it isn't. The time limit only applies to abortions carried out under Section 1(1)(a)

"(a) that the pregnancy has not exceeded its twenty-fourth week and that the continuance of the pregnancy would involve risk, greater than if the pregnancy were terminated, of injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman or any existing children of her family; or"

Abortions under the other parts of that section are not affected by any time limit.

What is referred to as "Ground E" where abortion statistics are recorded comes from Section 1(1)(d):

"(d) that there is a substantial risk that if the child were born it would suffer from such physical or mental abnormalities as to be seriously handicapped."

So, basically, in the UK you can get an abortion up to 24 weeks. If there are any conditions that puts the child at serious risk then an abortion can be done at any time up until birth.

In 2022 there were 289 abortions on this ground between weeks 22 and 24 and 289 abortions after week 24.

Yes I am. Because they were left wing. It's a fact.

Not really tried to though is it. Musk
supports Musk.,he will manipulate anyone to get power. Trying to pin left, right, centre on him makes him more dangerous.

In what way were the Nazis left wing?

In what way? Economically? Socially they were very much right wing. Wanting the “pure” race etc. I’m not sure I understand enough about economics to say whether they stood in the right or left in that sense, but I suppose they were about taking back the wealth for the people (or at least, the ones they saw suitable), so I can see why that might be seen as left wing. The whole “superior race” malarkey was definitely right wing though. And that’s the stand out part.

Where it has (a), (b), (c), (d) - those are OR conditions, not AND. The 24 weeks only applies to the first one.

I assume you're concerned for women who get bad news at the anomaly scan - this would be section (d) here or for statistics purposes, "Ground E". It applies at any time. Which is reasonable as you could discover serious issues at any time, not just at the 20wk scan.

So do you think that all white men are safe for women? The crime statistics show that 5 out of 6 rapes are committed by men that are known to the victim.

The most notorious offenders of sexual violence and murder in the UK are white men, e.g. Jimmy Saville, Ian Brady, Fred West, Peter Sutcliffe.

"...before 24 weeks and if other conditions apply."

OK, I see your mistake here. It doesn't say "and" it says "or".

So it's either 24 weeks or some other condition applies

"(a) that the pregnancy has not exceeded its twenty-fourth week and that the continuance of the pregnancy would involve risk, greater than if the pregnancy were terminated, of injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman or any existing children of her family; or"

Not what I said. Being safe as a woman and safe as a white person are two separate things

Jesus Christ. I'm not about to write a 1000 word essay giving you a history lesson on Nazism. Didn't you just call me ignorant? Ironic.

Well that's a strawman if I ever I saw one.

Jesus Christ. I'm not about to write a 1000 word essay giving you a history lesson on Nazism. Didn't you just call me ignorant? Ironic.

What is with pp insulting others then asking for more information

Actually I believe that it is far more nuanced than left v right.

The party (and its forerunners) did undertake many programmes which we might align more with left wing, especially some of their programmes aimed towards the starving unemployed. Hitler hated capitalism as much as he hated communism. The main thing that does ultimately make them right wing is their nationalism and belief in race superiority.

People need to drop this left/right divide though, it’s stopping us seeing and addressing the real issues.

He supports Israel because they have an ultra-right wing racist government and he obviously hates and despises the Palestinians more than he does Jewish people.

What a bizarre answer! Are only white men known to women?

I think the Muslim Pakistani rape gangs are more prolific, have more victims than any of those individuals you mention. And probably highlights the individual/institutional problem v the group/institutionsl problem

Can I point out which party in the UK are currently putting a bill through parliament which will result in old, ill, unhappy and generally not fit and healthy people being 'voluntarily unalived'.

Lets not forget that in so called socialist utopia Canada, people applied for handrails and help with getting up the stairs and were offered MAID instead. And it's coming to the UK soon. And this is now. It's a current policy.

Yes, ok I will. It's the apparent 'left wing Labour party'.

Explain how the Israeli government is racist.

We all know Angela will be heading up the Ministry of Love before the years out!