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Am I a far right extremist?

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Isitme245 · 25/01/2025 11:30

I had a conversation with my best friend of 25 years the other day and she called me a far right extremist and how my views are scary, dangerous and 'nazi coded'
I was really shocked as I didn't think any of what I said was bad. I'm not a particularly avid supporter of any political party and very much keep opinions to myself. She's very supportive of labour and anti trump and always has been. Usually when she asks me my opinions I just don't want to get into it but I did the other night and now I feel bad.

Here's the breakdown:

  • she sent me an article and told me that Nigel Farage is going to ban abortion eventually if he wins an election. I read the article and pointed out he only suggested lowering the abortion cut off date to 22 weeks (not 24 as it is now). I told her it wasn't the end of the world and it's reasonable if you read his reasons. I also made the point that men shouldn't really be getting involved in abortion law but that what he said wasn't the end of the world.
  • she asked me about immigration and I said that it's great but that we should be prioritising skilled immigrants and have stronger immigration laws. She also asked about asylum seekers and hotels and I said that we should have stronger laws about monitoring people and collecting documentation when people arrive.
  • she sent me and asked about Elon Musk's Nazi salute and I said I didn't interpret it that way
  • I said that immigrants who rape or murder should be deported.

To me this feels really reasonable and not over the top but she really attacked me for it? Now I feel really awkward and uncomfortable talking to her. Is this far right??

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SerafinasGoose · 25/01/2025 20:50

Musk may be many things. Three things he is certainly not are stupid, naïve, or uninitiated as to media representation and the way things appear on camera.

As a PP upthread described it: ‘stiff at the elbow, fingers together and palm down. Classic Nazi salute’. The image of Macron someone posted upthread shows him, in the video footage, moving his arm up into a wave gesture, palm facing outward as one might expect from a ‘heartfelt’ gesture. That Musk made a gesture he knew was likely to generate this response isn’t to say that he’s a Nazi – he made a Nazi salute - those are two different things. A spade is still a spade - no matter how many images people keep churning out of others doing an apparently similar thing as a ‘gotchya ! – see, other people do it too: are they also Nazis?’

Well, no - and the insinuation that ‘Nazi salute – therefore he’s a Nazi’ – is as typically lacking in any form of nuance as the majority of ‘X’ content and the lack of critical thinking increasingly characterising the www. The fact that Musk is stirring things in Germany, has an interest in trans humanism post- the likes of Julian Huxley et al that looks more than uncomfortably like eugenics, or that his family background in Apartheid also reeks of white supremacy, might say more about this context than the usual tired objection of flinging ‘Nazi!’ – and ‘your views align with Nazis!’ to anyone the so-called ‘Left’ disagrees with.

Plausible deniability. Clever, innit?

But here, we have precisely the point. Musk is well aware of media image. His gesture allowed for just enough plausible deniability that seemingly the whole internet is splitting hairs and getting all aerated as to whether it was or whether it wasn’t. That seems more the point. This guy enjoys stirring up controversy – simply because he’s a very rich and powerful man, and because he can.

He might not be a Nazi. But an arsehole? Emphatically, yes.

Serpentstooth · 25/01/2025 20:52

MonkeyToHeaven · 25/01/2025 20:10

And in our Parliament by Reform. Let's not forget the afd began as an anti- EU party.

And Brexit is just the first plank in chopping Europe into small, tetchy countries once more. Just ripe for divvying up for the 'global elite', of which Musk is a prime example. The ignorance and refusal to see what's happening, and what will happen, is just astounding. A global flock of brainwashed cultists willingly rushing to their fate. And its Holocaust Memorial Day. Appalling.

ArtTheClown · 25/01/2025 20:53

AfD apologists on MN. Very disturbing.

I'm no AfD fangirl personally, but there's a near-constant stream of stabbings and gang rapes by recent arrivals. What do people think is going to happen in a society faced with that?

Veronay · 25/01/2025 20:54

In reality though the right and left are generally wrong about immigration. The left believe most immigrants are beneficial to the country and we have endless resources to share, the right believe they're all third world scumbags. Really thiugh the majority of immigrants are normal people who happen to be from the relative middle clas sof their own country (the only ones who can afford to move), aren't particularly skilled and are being allowed to migrate en masse to keep British wages low. There are then multiple pros and cons of this but the .majority of.peole.aide with either the left or right rather than seeing the truth.

Macrodatarefiner · 25/01/2025 20:54

ArtTheClown · 25/01/2025 20:53

AfD apologists on MN. Very disturbing.

I'm no AfD fangirl personally, but there's a near-constant stream of stabbings and gang rapes by recent arrivals. What do people think is going to happen in a society faced with that?

Are you in Germany?

Livelovebehappy · 25/01/2025 20:54

You’re absolutely 100% right OP. But even attempting to have a rational civil conversation with someone at the polar end of your opinion is not going to end well. I haven’t read all posts on here, but I’m guessing you will have had a bashing. MN on the whole is left leaning, and definitely no fan of Trump. You will have had a lot of them frothing at the mouth.

EasternStandard · 25/01/2025 20:55

ByMerryKoala · 25/01/2025 19:29

Germany’s far-right firewall weakens as Merz pledges migration crackdown – POLITICO https://search.app/1FvTkTJ7XHEWG3qF9

Yup.

Interesting article, Germany may go further than other EU countries first

ArtTheClown · 25/01/2025 20:55

Are you in Germany?

I'm not sure how that's relevant?

fairycakes1234 · 25/01/2025 20:59

ArtTheClown · 25/01/2025 20:55

Are you in Germany?

I'm not sure how that's relevant?

Me neither?

ArtTheClown · 25/01/2025 21:06

Here's Antifa insulting the family of a murdered toddler stabbed by an Afghan migrant. I mean, if they went doorknocking for the AfD it would be less effective:

https://x.com/realMaalouf/status/1883205994165174303

x.com

https://x.com/realMaalouf/status/1883205994165174303

KnittyNell · 25/01/2025 21:07

Isitme245 · 25/01/2025 11:30

I had a conversation with my best friend of 25 years the other day and she called me a far right extremist and how my views are scary, dangerous and 'nazi coded'
I was really shocked as I didn't think any of what I said was bad. I'm not a particularly avid supporter of any political party and very much keep opinions to myself. She's very supportive of labour and anti trump and always has been. Usually when she asks me my opinions I just don't want to get into it but I did the other night and now I feel bad.

Here's the breakdown:

  • she sent me an article and told me that Nigel Farage is going to ban abortion eventually if he wins an election. I read the article and pointed out he only suggested lowering the abortion cut off date to 22 weeks (not 24 as it is now). I told her it wasn't the end of the world and it's reasonable if you read his reasons. I also made the point that men shouldn't really be getting involved in abortion law but that what he said wasn't the end of the world.
  • she asked me about immigration and I said that it's great but that we should be prioritising skilled immigrants and have stronger immigration laws. She also asked about asylum seekers and hotels and I said that we should have stronger laws about monitoring people and collecting documentation when people arrive.
  • she sent me and asked about Elon Musk's Nazi salute and I said I didn't interpret it that way
  • I said that immigrants who rape or murder should be deported.

To me this feels really reasonable and not over the top but she really attacked me for it? Now I feel really awkward and uncomfortable talking to her. Is this far right??

No you aren’t. You sound centrist and totally normal to me.

ByMerryKoala · 25/01/2025 21:12

ArtTheClown · 25/01/2025 21:06

Here's Antifa insulting the family of a murdered toddler stabbed by an Afghan migrant. I mean, if they went doorknocking for the AfD it would be less effective:

https://x.com/realMaalouf/status/1883205994165174303

Is that real? Are they really saying the family of the stabbed toddler are facists -why? What are they chanting and, at the risk of being cynical - is it bad actors pretending to be antifa? None of that makes sense.

Linzi2377 · 25/01/2025 21:12

You sound sensible to me

PandoraSox · 25/01/2025 21:15

Macrodatarefiner · 25/01/2025 20:34

If you C&P text, do you not need to link or at least say where you got it?

Tbf, the etiquette of linking to sources seems to be dying out on MN now. But my apologies. My C&P is from The Spectator.😊

www.spectator.co.uk/article/elon-musk-addresses-afd-rally/

PandoraSox · 25/01/2025 21:22

ArtTheClown · 25/01/2025 20:53

AfD apologists on MN. Very disturbing.

I'm no AfD fangirl personally, but there's a near-constant stream of stabbings and gang rapes by recent arrivals. What do people think is going to happen in a society faced with that?

Recent arrivals in Germany? Or the UK? Do you have some stats on that?

Lostcat · 25/01/2025 21:27

Why do people think that further restrictions on access to abortion is centrist. I mean wtaf.

carrit · 25/01/2025 21:34

It doesn't really matter if it was a "Nazi salute" or not. This is a distraction.

IkeaJesusChrist · 25/01/2025 21:34

The guy that did a public Nazi Salute "by mistake" also happens to addressed a neo-Nazi rally "by accident".

"It's good to be proud of German culture, German values, and not to lose that in some sort of multiculturalism that dilutes everything," Musk said.

ArtTheClown · 25/01/2025 21:35

Recent arrivals in Germany? Or the UK? Do you have some stats on that?

Re sexual offenses, it's a relatively similar picture across Europe. Here's some Germany figures I've got to hand for child sex offenses and sexual offenses by nationality relative to Germans:

Am I a far right extremist?
Am I a far right extremist?
Macrodatarefiner · 25/01/2025 21:37

PandoraSox · 25/01/2025 21:15

Tbf, the etiquette of linking to sources seems to be dying out on MN now. But my apologies. My C&P is from The Spectator.😊

www.spectator.co.uk/article/elon-musk-addresses-afd-rally/

I know it is, because I thought I was having some kind of stroke when I starting reading that article in the Speccie and felt certain I had already read it!

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 25/01/2025 21:39

ArtTheClown · 25/01/2025 21:35

Recent arrivals in Germany? Or the UK? Do you have some stats on that?

Re sexual offenses, it's a relatively similar picture across Europe. Here's some Germany figures I've got to hand for child sex offenses and sexual offenses by nationality relative to Germans:

Hmm, “suspect rates” so those aren’t even arrested, charged or conviction rates. Just a measure of how much more frequently certain nationalities fall under suspicion…in a country that is known to have a racist police force.

Grammarnut · 25/01/2025 21:46

Catsandcheese · 25/01/2025 16:26

I don't really care how you voted, but the impact has been detrimental, have a wee google.

I can google too, you know. The results have not been detrimental to working people, wages have gone up because we are not being undercut as businesses can import labour that will accept lower wages. One reasons many voted to leave the EU (free movement of labour is about lowering wages, btw). Also, we no longer have a racist immigration policy that favours white Europeans over people from the rest of the world who are not white Europeans - one other reason I (and about a third of immigrants in the UK) voted to leave.

StMarie4me · 25/01/2025 21:47

@Isitme245

I'm not sure but when watching it my mind didn't automatically go 'Nazi'
This is what I told her

How did it not?! He did it openly, twice.

Jumpingthruhoops · 25/01/2025 21:52

SourDoe · 25/01/2025 17:19

Extremists are at the further end of the political spectrum on both sides. That’s the very definition of being extreme. It doesn’t only affect one side more than the other. You could say that Nazi Germany teaches us about the extreme right and Stalinist Russia about the extreme left. Both are ghastly, both are oppressive and we should be looking to both as things we should never allow to happen again.

But I can’t see any political figures pushing Stalinist agendas, but I do see a highly influencial political figures promoting Nazi sympathisers and the public excusing it.

So when you say that the extremists are on the left, what do you mean? Who is pushing for Stalinist policies and ideologies online or on the world stage? Because that’s what a left extremist would look like.

Both the extreme left and the extreme right start to merge into the same thing. So if you’re tolerating the extreme right (e.g excusing Nazi salutes or turning a blind eye to a person who is championing a fascist party) then you’re actually closer to the extreme left in your politics than I am in my safe left of centre position.

Not that I have to explain my reasoning but just from the few things I have witnessed/personally experienced:
-The left will literally wish death on someone they don't agree with. The right welcome debate.
-During Covid, it was those left leaning who supported a 'papers please' approach to public places. The right thought, quite rationally, that those who were afraid should stay at home.
-According to the left, if you support women only spaces, you are a bigot. The right believe, again quite rationally, that those with a penis should not be allowed access to spaces designated for those with a vagina.
And so on and so on...

TooBigForMyBoots · 25/01/2025 22:11

According to the left, if you support women only spaces, you are a bigot. The right believe, again quite rationally, that those with a penis should not be allowed access to spaces designated for those with a vagina.

Gender Critical feminism was the first to call out the dangers of allowing trans women into single sex spaces. Gender Critical feminism is very left wing. The Morning Star, that most left wing newspaper in the UK do the same.

I am a left of centre feminist, I support single sex spaces for women. I know that humans have 2 sexes. I am not as left wing as GC feminists. Most Mnetters support single sex spaces and know there are 2 sexes as borne out on AIBU polls on the subject.

I think you'll find most people here agree with you wrt to single sex spaces @Jumpingthruhoops.

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