Am I a far right extremist?

[Isitme245]

I had a conversation with my best friend of 25 years the other day and she called me a far right extremist and how my views are scary, dangerous and 'nazi coded'
I was really shocked as I didn't think any of what I said was bad. I'm not a particularly avid supporter of any political party and very much keep opinions to myself. She's very supportive of labour and anti trump and always has been. Usually when she asks me my opinions I just don't want to get into it but I did the other night and now I feel bad.

Here's the breakdown:

• she sent me an article and told me that Nigel Farage is going to ban abortion eventually if he wins an election. I read the article and pointed out he only suggested lowering the abortion cut off date to 22 weeks (not 24 as it is now). I told her it wasn't the end of the world and it's reasonable if you read his reasons. I also made the point that men shouldn't really be getting involved in abortion law but that what he said wasn't the end of the world.

• she asked me about immigration and I said that it's great but that we should be prioritising skilled immigrants and have stronger immigration laws. She also asked about asylum seekers and hotels and I said that we should have stronger laws about monitoring people and collecting documentation when people arrive.

• she sent me and asked about Elon Musk's Nazi salute and I said I didn't interpret it that way

• I said that immigrants who rape or murder should be deported.

To me this feels really reasonable and not over the top but she really attacked me for it? Now I feel really awkward and uncomfortable talking to her. Is this far right??

Not by this Brit, and most people I know.

That's a ridiculous false equivalency.

Germany’s foremost expert on the subject, sociologist Wilhelm Heitmeyer, said the AfD now stands for an “authoritarian national radicalism,” namely, an ideology that propagates a hierarchically ordered, ethnically homogeneous society overseen by a strong-arm state. What’s particularly radical, he said, is the party’s communication with and mobilization of misanthropic groups that rain violence on select minorities. These protagonists encompass a wide array of hate groups, including neo-Nazis, which are largely responsible for the highest level of hate crimes in Germany in three decades. Its victims are refugees, foreign nationals, Jews, Muslims, and LGBTQ+ people.

Thank you for your response, I can understand your position now. I totally agree with what you’re saying these matters are almost unfathomably complex.

We need to be talking more about the black and white thinking we need to be getting away from prepackaged political thought. The stereotyping. We need to recognise the complexity of each of these matters

Griffin? Who?

I'm joking obviously, but he's not been on the scene for years, it's Keith Woods et al nowadays, but yes, deep schism among the brains of the far right, though as you say nobody seems to have told their footsoldiers

Omg. See my other replies to similar comments to yours. Wish people read the threads properly before making extraneous responses.

AfD apologists on MN. Very disturbing.

I think the Hitler comparisons are simplistic and damaging, because it allows people to respond that no, Trump is not as bad. Trump is not Hitler, Musk is not Hitler, they are both their own particular brand of fascist.
And the people (mainly Americans) going on about Roman Salutes don't realise that it was Mussolini who popularized the Roman Salute, so it really isn't a gotcha

I agree - most normal people, including me, have these same views and there is nothing wrong with that.
Remember that we are still living in a free country and we have to hope that it remains so.

Lots pf people think that Musk's obsession with the UK is because once the Online Harms Bill takes effect, X could be fined 10% of global turnover due tothe availability of porn and videos such as the one of the terrorist attack in AU that the Southport killer watched before the murders. Explains all the free speech stuff.

I was responding to both your comment and the comment that you were quoting that you said was 'absolutely correct'.

I'm not sure why you brought Churchill into it, but in answer to your first question, this......

I think this is absolutely correct. In fact I would say there’s a complete distortion over the whole of WW2. Many seem to think Churchill was worse than Hitler to hear them speak. I don’t think many know of the absolute evil in Russia and Japan for example. We need to prioritise the teaching of history, history that matters.

....this is what makes you sound like you think people shouldn't be critiquing Churchill.

The comment you quoted and said was 'absolutely correct' made a lot out of the idea that young people have no idea about the Nazis and that their understanding is stuck in a year 6 class. My response to this was to pose that maybe other generations understanding of the events are specific to the climate they received their education in and this doesn't necessarily negate modern views on the subject. Read my comments again. I never said you had an idealised view of ww2.

The whole point of the post you agreed with was how young people are identifying Nazi ideologies around them and are wrong to do so. You said this was absolutely correct. Why are they wrong to do so? Are there not comparisons between now and 1930's Europe? That is belittling their legitimate fears that many people share with them.

I don't know why your'e bringing Japan and Russia into the discussion. Are you suggesting that because they were also problematic in ww2 that we shouldn't worry about the threat of Nazi extremism in modern times? Baring in mind that this is a conversation about the resurgence and apparent acceptance of Nazi behaviours in modern times?

I was responding to your comments about specifically young people not understanding this particular time in history and I don't think they understand it any less than you.

What? Are you saying Mussolini was a good guy? Not at all a fascist? And didn’t ally with the Nazis? Wasn’t a bff with Hitler himself?

For some relatively unbiased context I recommend watching this guy.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1883129207896817779?t=UbJKGvkpCfjWNwR1gsU1bA&s=19

And in our Parliament by Reform. Let's not forget the afd began as an anti- EU party.

From the way you are speaking, do you perhaps live in the USA?

Things are very different here in the UK.

"Anencephaly - where a baby is without parts of the brain and skull at birth. It is fatal and there is no cure or treatment."

And how is that relevant? Under UK law that is a condition that allows for abortion at any time up until birth. Regardless of whether it is before or after 24 weeks.

"If we lower the number of weeks for abortion. under these circumstances eg we are forcing them to continue with the pregnancy knowing that the baby is not viable and never will be. Cases like this occur and are pure torture for the mothers."

Again, this may happen in the USA but it does not happen in the UK. What you are saying is untrue in the UK.

"The most vulnerable women ... find it difficult to accept/ know they are pregnant or make / get to an ante natal appointment etc etc for diagnosis."

Do you have anything at all to back up your claim? In the UK, 88% of abortions are done by the end of week 9. A further 11% of abortions are done by the end of week 19.

It is only around 1.4% of abortions that occur from week 20 onwards and the majority of these are covered under the ground of there being a serious risk of the child being handicapped and so would not be affected by any time limits anyway.

Can I ask, where you do get your beliefs on the facts of abortion in the UK from?

Agree, your views are pretty mainstream…

As for Musk’s salute. If you were actually a Nazi you’d surely own it and say it was!

Thank you. I agree, it was a bit of a stretch!

What you have written about the AfD is very concerning - gives pause for thought.

Me too.

If you C&P text, do you not need to link or at least say where you got it?

I think they're saying the opposite.

I mean, you are clearly quackers, yes.

And you think I’m jumping to conclusions? 😂

I don't think you jump to conclusions. I know you do. You demonstrated it in your now deleted post@DowntheDrainpipe.

foreign men from misogynistic cultures

oh sure cos there’s no such thing as misogyny in the UK 🙄

OP hasn’t suggested she’s marginalised anyone, so don’t over read into the situation.

You can have politically right views without flipping into facism/far right.

I’m saying if she’s not a facist she doesn’t actually have to label herself. Otherwise you end up with the very polarised politics that you see in the states.

https://youtube.com/shorts/_i5ipofd-PQ?si=cRZBQEaG4o46On8v