Am I a far right extremist?

[Isitme245]

I had a conversation with my best friend of 25 years the other day and she called me a far right extremist and how my views are scary, dangerous and 'nazi coded'
I was really shocked as I didn't think any of what I said was bad. I'm not a particularly avid supporter of any political party and very much keep opinions to myself. She's very supportive of labour and anti trump and always has been. Usually when she asks me my opinions I just don't want to get into it but I did the other night and now I feel bad.

Here's the breakdown:

• she sent me an article and told me that Nigel Farage is going to ban abortion eventually if he wins an election. I read the article and pointed out he only suggested lowering the abortion cut off date to 22 weeks (not 24 as it is now). I told her it wasn't the end of the world and it's reasonable if you read his reasons. I also made the point that men shouldn't really be getting involved in abortion law but that what he said wasn't the end of the world.

• she asked me about immigration and I said that it's great but that we should be prioritising skilled immigrants and have stronger immigration laws. She also asked about asylum seekers and hotels and I said that we should have stronger laws about monitoring people and collecting documentation when people arrive.

• she sent me and asked about Elon Musk's Nazi salute and I said I didn't interpret it that way

• I said that immigrants who rape or murder should be deported.

To me this feels really reasonable and not over the top but she really attacked me for it? Now I feel really awkward and uncomfortable talking to her. Is this far right??

Sorry I posted too soon.

Neither party is good news for women's rights.

With four weeks to go until Germany heads to the polls for its federal election, Elon Musk has just given his third public endorsement of the country’s far-right Alternative für Deutschland (AfD) party. Beaming into the hall live from the States at the party’s campaign launch in Halle (Saale), Saxony-Anhalt, the tech billionaire appeared to loud whoops and cheers from the crowd.

Musk started by stating he was ‘very excited’ for the party and repeated his belief that the party is ‘the best hope’ for Germany. Praising the country for having a culture that was ‘unique, and special and good’, US President Donald Trump’s new efficiency tsar proclaimed that ‘it’s okay to be proud to be German’. Referencing Germany’s Nazi past, he declared that there is ‘too much of a focus on past guilt and we should move beyond that."

Criticising the EU, Musk stated that there was ‘too much control’ from Brussels and the ‘global elite’ – although he didn’t elaborate on who that ‘global elite’ was.

If it quacks like a duck etc.

The AfD is a right-wing nationalist party… but that doesn’t mean they are Nazi who want to conquer Europe and start a new holocaust!

Any more than the UK’s Green Party, as a left-wing political party, is made in the image of Stalin and wants to introduce the gulag and manufacture a famine to kill millions of Ukrainians!

You're probably right but there are still a frightening number of women who are invested in protecting these males.

Some sort of internalised misogyny right there. Or are women just conditioned to 'be kind' even if it harms us?

I asked how you felt about Trump bragging about overturning Roe V. Wade.

Nicely put. The democrats deliberately didn’t codify abortion rights because they needed to wield it like a weapon ever election - it was basically their only sticking point.

I think Trump is abhorrent, he's a rapist and a misogynist.

He wasn't sitting on the supreme court though so he's making it up.

Obama is, arguably, more responsible than Trump.

I'm now asking you what you think about that?

Some of them are Holocaust deniers.

Also:

In January 2024, it was revealed that senior members of the party, including Roland Hartwig, then advisor to party co-leader Alice Weidel, attended a meeting alongside neo-Nazi influencers, where plans for the deportation of millions of "asylum seekers", "non-assimilated people", and those with "non-German backgrounds" were discussed, including those with German citizenship and residency rights.[344] The event triggered the 2024 German anti-extremism protests.

Eta: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68029232

But to be a Nazi salute he must be saluting or greeting other Nazis. It’s a very important question.

Musk is dangerous. But not because he’s far right, it’s because people are allowing Musk to divide them.

The CDU are signalling an opportunity to work with the afd on immigration after they win the election. I'm not sure what that means actually beyond that they clearly don't think it will hurt their voting outcome by saying so.

Yes, it's completely hypocritical of them, under the circumstances, to use it as a stick to beat women over the head with for wanting to keep males out of single sex spaces and sports.

@PandoraSox definitely something to keep an eye on but I'm not getting any nazi off this.

What Musk quacks like is someone with ambitions of empire building, someone playing local politics to put him in the best position to build that empire.

I think Obama is a fuckhead for dropping that ball.

Thank you for being honest and I am sorry if I was snippy. There have been so many people who used to (quite rightly) despise Trump who now think he can do no wrong.

I didn't know about that

Germany’s far-right firewall weakens as Merz pledges migration crackdown – POLITICO https://search.app/1FvTkTJ7XHEWG3qF9

Yup.

So you think everyone who knows Musk's links to the far right and saw him perform 2 Nazi salutes live on stage with their own eyes believe that men can be women?

Nonsense. You are driven by your beliefs and feelings. Not knowledge or facts. You guess. You jump to conclusions based on nothing. And are so convinced of your rightness that you don't question it.

Do you know what Critical Thinking is? Because I think you should be sure of it before admonishing others for lacking it.

I just don't understand this when the law in England explicitly covers cases like this under Ground E which doesn't have a term limit. The very few women who are seeking such late term abortions are generally doing it for serious medical reasons which are covered at any point.

The term limit for effectively-elective abortion has previously changed from 28 weeks to 24 weeks without England turning into Gilead.

I don't want abortion politics brought to the UK but that also includes not sensationalising the effect of the very, very moderate restrictions currently in place.

OP If you were far right of thinking you wouldn't need to ask, you would 100% know that was where your stance was. It would be unquestionable and not open to discussion.

I dislike Musk. He’s ignorant and divisive, and he seems draw to toxic right-wing politics.

However, it doesn’t follow that because he has expressed support for a party that happens to contain neo-nazis at its fringes, that therefore gave a nazi salute the other night.

@Isitme245, your views align with my views and I don't think I'm far right. Quite honestly I think your views and my views are sensible. I have been called far right too and racist too. I think it's people just judging without knowing I have friends from lots of cultures. I happily rent out a few of my btl's to both Nigerian, Polish and Romanian families. They are all immigrants but in the UK legally.

Divide et impera

History shows that the Nazis had all kinds of ideas to get the Jews to go away. There's a reason the Final Solution had that name. But it's a huge leap to suggest that that's blaming Jews for the Holocaust. I didn't suggest that they should have left — they had the absolute right to stay put, and the international community should have backed them up. The fact that it didn't is perhaps at least to some extent due to the fact that anti-Semitism was widespread in establishment circles in many of the Allied countries as the time.

For what it's worth, I hate anti-Semitism (and Islamophobia), I support Israel's right to exist to defend itself (although, along with something close to a majority of Israelis, I am not a big fan of Netanyahu, who is a crook), and I don't believe the Gaza campaign was a genocide. But it's difficult to get nuance across in any discussion of these matters, where many people have an entrenched position that is 100% in support of one side or the other, right or wrong, and sometimes assume that others do too. 🙏

You also appear to be saying Jews are Muslim killers.
That wasn't my intention, but a lot of far-right people have greatly enjoyed seeing Muslims die in IDF actions over the last 16 months. I take no comfort from casualties on either side, but there is at least some grim ironic satisfaction in seeing Nick Griffin and Stephen Yaxley-Lennon in opposite camps. Griffin is an anti-Semite first and foremost and so his tribal loyalties bring him down on the side of the Palestinians, whereas SYL is an Islamophobe first and foremost and so he sides with Israel, despite half of his most loyal fans having swastika tattoos. I very much with that both of them would fuck off and die take up stamp collecting tomorrow and retire from "politics".

I believe the global elite are all at Davos currently no?

Look at it as an opportunity to seek more emotionally mature friendships.