Am I a far right extremist?

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I had a conversation with my best friend of 25 years the other day and she called me a far right extremist and how my views are scary, dangerous and 'nazi coded'
I was really shocked as I didn't think any of what I said was bad. I'm not a particularly avid supporter of any political party and very much keep opinions to myself. She's very supportive of labour and anti trump and always has been. Usually when she asks me my opinions I just don't want to get into it but I did the other night and now I feel bad.

Here's the breakdown:

• she sent me an article and told me that Nigel Farage is going to ban abortion eventually if he wins an election. I read the article and pointed out he only suggested lowering the abortion cut off date to 22 weeks (not 24 as it is now). I told her it wasn't the end of the world and it's reasonable if you read his reasons. I also made the point that men shouldn't really be getting involved in abortion law but that what he said wasn't the end of the world.

• she asked me about immigration and I said that it's great but that we should be prioritising skilled immigrants and have stronger immigration laws. She also asked about asylum seekers and hotels and I said that we should have stronger laws about monitoring people and collecting documentation when people arrive.

• she sent me and asked about Elon Musk's Nazi salute and I said I didn't interpret it that way

• I said that immigrants who rape or murder should be deported.

To me this feels really reasonable and not over the top but she really attacked me for it? Now I feel really awkward and uncomfortable talking to her. Is this far right??

OP, you sound centre or centre right, nowhere near far right. Labelling normal people with reasonable views as far right is really damaging the left because they appear bonkers and intolerant.

A bit like calling people imbeciles because they’re left wing, as we’ve seen on this thread, is damaging the right wing.

Interesting to note too that in the pre-Musk era of Twitter how swiftly Holocaust denial posts and accounts were deleted. The same cannot be said now, I rarely go on there these days and when I do have a quick look it is depressing and disturbing. The people who espouse "oh you can't say anything these days" should go on X and have a swim in the sewer it has become.

Go on then 😂 never heard anything like it.

You think that’s how nazis started? You think they started with gas chambers?
You think the people who minimised the risk of nazism weren’t complicit?
You can’t see any parallels at all between now and the 1930s?

"I would say anyone who supports Reform UK, and Farage in particular, is far right."

For context, more people voted for Reform in the election than voted for the Liberal Democrats,

I did not vote on grounds of income and it's very hard to compute losses when the world is going through a recession, so such losses might have happened anyway. The EU is not faring well, and is working hard at drumming up trade and othering non-Europeans while they are at it (I find the EU racist).
As it happened, I voted against my own perceived financial interest, in the interest instead of my DC, DGC and DGGC - and my country. Most people in the UK got very little out of the EU, and felt that opening our borders as Tony Blair did, has caused lower wages, and a great deal of stress on our infrastructure, particularly the NHS and education, but also our roads - because of uncontrolled immigration from the rest of the EU. Thats worth a few hundred billions as well.

Not 'a' Nazi salute, but 2 of them. He is a massive attention seeker and also a eugenicist with Nazi supporting views. So, both attention seeker and Nazi. As noted many years ago, these things are not mutually exclusive.

Clearly reality is not your thing. So I'll leave you to it.

What you have posted is clearly there for everyone to see.

This seems like a very weird convo to have with your best mate

Again, do these guys openly support AfD or Tommy Robinson?
Obviously people can and do raise their arms and it is not a nazi salute. But where there is existing context that the loon has openly stated his belief that the AfD are the party to lead Germany and supported Robinson, then there really only is the one conclusion to be drawn. And there he is shoulder to shoulder with the leader of the free world, and here in Europe there are people defending him.
It really is unconscionable to me.

To not recognise a Nazi salute for what it is isn’t centre, it’s far right wing. EM has been openly pushing the AfD in Germany who minimise the holocaust and are so far right that many other right wing groups won’t touch them. He is using his platform to try to get them into power.

When people question how the holocaust happened, how anyone could allow it to happen, this is how. What’s happening right now and what’s evident in this thread. This is how it happens. Wilful ignorance.

If we want to prevent fascism from taking seed in our world again then we cannot afford to excuse any public figure who even so much as flirt with marginalising groups.

If EM didn’t intend to repeatedly do a Nazi salute on the world stage then he would be profusely apologising and attempting to reassure those who may have been terrified by it. He would be taking complete responsibility for his actions and he hasn’t.

So he did a Nazi salute, we saw a Nazi salute and he meant it as a Nazi salute.

We all need to drop this right wing / left wing divisive thinking and stand together against this now.

Why don't you just own your views? You don't need a load of random people telling you what you should think.
You need to get off that fence.

It was a Nazi salute.
You have to be pigshit-thick ignorant to not see that.
I don't think Musk is a Nazi, just a petulant drug-addled billionaire who is desperate for attention.
But it was a Nazi salute.

Nazi coded - that's a new one on me! Presumably used by people who feel anyone with different views from them, no matter how slightly, is a nazi, but outright calling them a nazi will get them nowhere, so try to shame the other person by calling them nazi-coded instead.

Your views are perfectly defensible, reasonable views, even if one does not personally agree with them. Your friend is spectacularly immature and cannot tolerate any dissent from her own views.

From reading page one of this thread, many people here are also spectacularly immature and cannot tolerate any dissent from their own views.

I've seen the whole of Musk's alleged nazi salute in context and agree that the context does not support it being a nazi salute, but people who like calling those who disagree with them nazi's and right wing have perhaps unsurprisingly chosen to interpret it like. As evidenced very amply by your friend.

I don't really care how you voted, but the impact has been detrimental, have a wee google.

That Macron clip has been very sneakily edited. Why does it cut off before the end? Could it be because Macron was about to start waving at his supporters?🤔

Whereas the Musk clip needed no editing at all. He knew what he was doing. Twice.

Absolutely this.

Aye sure this happened OP.

Utter apologist rubbish.

Think about where he did it, if he was perceived as anti-semitic at the time there were plenty in the room who would have had grounds to be gravely offended. Yet they still seem to find Gazan children sleeping in their beds a worthier target for their ire.

I would say those saying its a nazi salute have utterly edited it out of context.

Unless you think the nazi's salute, when done by actual nazis in the Third Reich, was done in a joyous moment and intended to convey heartfelt thanks and appreciation to the public.

They also seem to have edited out of their knowledge bank that all of Musk's physical movements are awkward and jerky and stiff. It would have been remarkable indeed if this one moment had not been.

🙄 Don’t patronise me. I know that’s not how ‘they started’. That is not the point. It is inappropriate, to say the least, to call people nazis in the way that is so common / widespread these days.

If EM didn’t intend to repeatedly do a Nazi salute on the world stage then he would be profusely apologising and attempting to reassure those who may have been terrified by it. He would be taking complete responsibility for his actions and he hasn’t

I can only think that you have not been following the USA election at all to make this comment. Throughout the election, the left and left wing media have been repeatedly calling Trump and his supporters' nazis and fascists. This very possibly contributed to them losing the election. In that context, I think the Republican party are right not to give any credence to this childish slurring by issuing denials to ridiculous claims that they are nazis.

Op, your friend needs to educate herself quite frankly, she seems to have swallowed the woke hand book.

Elon Musk has always supported Israel, as has Donald Trump. He is also autistic and this whole salute thing is just ridiculous. An hysterical overreaction.

You sound to the right of the spectrum but of course you are not ‘far right’ or an extremist, I think it might be time to move on. She sounds bonkers!