Am I a far right extremist?

[Isitme245]

I had a conversation with my best friend of 25 years the other day and she called me a far right extremist and how my views are scary, dangerous and 'nazi coded'
I was really shocked as I didn't think any of what I said was bad. I'm not a particularly avid supporter of any political party and very much keep opinions to myself. She's very supportive of labour and anti trump and always has been. Usually when she asks me my opinions I just don't want to get into it but I did the other night and now I feel bad.

Here's the breakdown:

• she sent me an article and told me that Nigel Farage is going to ban abortion eventually if he wins an election. I read the article and pointed out he only suggested lowering the abortion cut off date to 22 weeks (not 24 as it is now). I told her it wasn't the end of the world and it's reasonable if you read his reasons. I also made the point that men shouldn't really be getting involved in abortion law but that what he said wasn't the end of the world.

• she asked me about immigration and I said that it's great but that we should be prioritising skilled immigrants and have stronger immigration laws. She also asked about asylum seekers and hotels and I said that we should have stronger laws about monitoring people and collecting documentation when people arrive.

• she sent me and asked about Elon Musk's Nazi salute and I said I didn't interpret it that way

• I said that immigrants who rape or murder should be deported.

To me this feels really reasonable and not over the top but she really attacked me for it? Now I feel really awkward and uncomfortable talking to her. Is this far right??

I don’t think either of you sound extremist, I don’t think she sounds “woke” and I don’t think you sound far right.

personally I feel I sit in the middle when it comes to politics and on your specific points:

• I don’t want abortion to be restricted, I feel it’s already heavily stigmatised. Some US states have started to restrict women and abortion further and I don’t want that to happen here too especially as violence towards women is still rife.

• I’m fine with what you said about immigration and asylum however you’re also pointing out the obvious - I think laws are already in place to support this. I think it’s more that they aren’t always utilised. So I’m also not sure what your point is…it’s like preaching to the choir.

• I personally don’t keep up with Elon Musk nor have I seen the video. But I would err on the side of caution, I’m not Jewish for example and if they feel it’s a Nazi salute I’m not going to go out of my way to debate that. It’s not for me to judge whether it is offensive or not as I’m not the marginalised group

It's not a nazi salute and what he was saying at the time which was in the context of the salute wasn't nazi related at all.

I am pretty sure Macron has never showed any support for the AfD or Tommy Robinson so no, I don't believe he was. Musk on the other hand...

I think a lot of younger people nowadays have no idea how bad the Nazis actually were. Their understanding of Nazism is stuck in a class they had in year 6 or whatever. Dangerously, though, many of them have internalised a distorted version of the message that we must understand history to avoid repeating its mistakes. Absent actually understanding the history, they interpret this as "if I shout 'Nazi' at everything I dislike it will go away and I will have successfully fended off a second Holocaust".

Again, they don't know how bad the Nazis were. They've had twenty-first century progressivm pummeled into their heads so hard they can't actually imagine anything much worse than contemporary centrism, and their view of the Nazis is basically centrists with a uniform. They would be absolutely horrified to learn what the Nazis were really like.

“You’re far from the centre” - actually in the real world these are pretty normal/common opinions (with the exception of the Elon Musk thing). But don’t expect mumsnet to agree!

No, of course you're not. I've been called a far right extremest for saying women don't have a willy. These people are mental. Of course it's not far right to be concerned about immigration and no Elon did not do a nazi salute. He was over stimulated and doing a heart goes out to you all gesture.

I don't think your views are far right at all nor are they extreme. I tend not to discuss politics with anyone but I do accept people's views. There is nothing wrong with what you said, don't worry about it.
Edited as I forgot to add that Musk's gesture is worrying I agree.

This is just great - just because we have been gaslit by the government for the past 20 years, conditioned not to notice the elephant in the room, you are now doubting your normality? Get a grip. How many unskilled migrants is your friend currently employing/housing? How many 'skilled' ones? What a load of bullshit. Get new friends.

I have woke colleagues like that I don't discuss things with them - oh, how they angle for a row, an opportunity to virtue-signal!!!! I don't give them their satisfaction.

I am blessed my real friends are great realists, some of them are amazing Brexiteers - my former SIL (French-born, dual national) voted for Brexit, some of my Brexiteer friends have properties in Western Europe, but they also have a heart - and they voted the way they voted for the minimum wage English folk, not for themselves (their children go to private schools, so unaffected by English-second-language in class, they don't live in social housing, they don't apply for benefits, they create jobs, they don't apply for them). My other Brexiteer friends are Indian immigrants.

And this bullshit about Trump being anti-migrant - his two wives are migrants, his son was talking with a Slovenian accent until he went to school, etc.

As for Musk - bad news, not because of the stupid salute, but because oligarchs have no business in politics - this is major discrimination - just because he has a billion billions more than anyone else, his opinion is suddenly more valuable that a woman with all her children on a federally assisted meal program. Naaa, he can get to fuck!

And about surgical abortion - leaving the moral thing totally aside - I don't know any sane woman who would go for a surgical abortion with an UK-trained gynaecologist - far too dangerous (such frequent scarring), they can't even retrieve or put a pessary in properly in many cases.

You're not far right. The term gets bandied around so much these days without people actually knowing what it means.

Why do people want abortion laws changed?

Why do people here think they are bringing this forward now?

Do people think late term abortions are an actual issue happening? Women just deciding to terminate 22 week pregnancies out of the blue?

If a law has to be made about this, it's saying women can't be trusted not to do this.

Not only that. Unfortunately there are some out there who deny the Holocaust even happened.🤯

Totally agree. The way the term is thrown around today is insulting to those who suffered at the hands of the actual nazis. It disgusts me when I hear people calling others ‘nazis’. Unless the person is putting children to their death in gas chambers sold as showers, or experimenting on disabled people, for example, just a taster, then they are not nazis.

Definitely right wing on most of the above. Re Elon Musks salute , if you didn't see it as a Nazi salute you must be incredibly naive .

Maybe not every raised hand is a Nazi salute?

Link to Newsweek. Scroll down to see Elizabeth Warren, Barack Obama and Kamala Harris in action.

(Edit: spelling typo)

I was called far left when I was young and am called far right now I'm old - but my views have barely changed. They're just words OP, just labels.

The total reverse is true. In my opinion obviously 😁

I agree with you OP I've always considered myself left wing... I'm also gender critical. What can you do the left wing have been brainwashed to not do any critical thinking

A heart goes out to you gesture is as follows: put your hand on your heart and stretch it out at the elbow in a generous way to the crowd. Your hand automatically ends up palm upwards, arm horizontal, fingers slightly apart, and the arm is relaxed, slightly bent and welcoming.

Musk's arm was stiff at the elbow, fingers together and palm down. Classic Nazi salute.

My opinion on Musk's salute is that it's 100% speculation either for or against. You need alot more evidence than that I'm afraid

Working on the black market as they’re not allowed to work legally is a crime but an understandable one in the circumstances. Or stealing from shops so they can feed their families… There’s no excuse for crimes such as raping girls - I bet she’d change her tune if it was her sister/daughter that was raped.

The Nazis were ordinary people in the beginning, co-opted by promises of wealth and autonomy to appease their feelings of economic injustice and disenfranchisement after WW1. The drivers were indeed terrible people, yet would claim their position was necessary, pragmatic and utterly reasonable. Too many too late did realise they'd been hoodwinked and were left grappling with the psychological impact of their allegiance. And of course survival played a part.

I agree that full understanding is required to "learn the lessons of history" and I'm baffled how we got here despite the awareness and condemnation of this particular "lesson of history".

Where does he 'not dispute' it? Not being argumentative, and certainly not a Musk/Trump supporter - but have not and cannot see where he accepts it was anything other than 'my heart goes out to you'. (Which is laughable, I know!)

The fact that two of Trump's wives and JD Vance's wife are migrants doesn't mean that Trump and Vance aren't anti-migrant. They clearly are. It does make them hypocrites though.

What about Suella Braverman? Her parents were migrants but she is one of the most anti-migrant politicians in the UK. Her views align with Enoch Powell's.

BTW, Brexit has been an economic disaster, in case you haven't noticed.

Why don’t you try Elon’s wave at your workplace and see how they interpret it?

Can only imagine what you have said in the past 25 years to your best friend for her to ask those questions, esp around abortion and Elon’s salute. What else are you missing out? I wonder what led for her to push all that in one conversation.

You might not be far right but you are skirting the edges. But ultimately, if you are friends and want to remain so maybe leave politics out of the conversation and focus on the things that have made the friendship last for the past 25 years

Nah, not buying it.

You don't agree with Trumps EO which restores women's rights to single sex spaces and sports because you are worried about the suffering of people with other identities.

At least own what you believe in.

Otherwise I call bullshit on all of your posts.