Am I a far right extremist?

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I had a conversation with my best friend of 25 years the other day and she called me a far right extremist and how my views are scary, dangerous and 'nazi coded'
I was really shocked as I didn't think any of what I said was bad. I'm not a particularly avid supporter of any political party and very much keep opinions to myself. She's very supportive of labour and anti trump and always has been. Usually when she asks me my opinions I just don't want to get into it but I did the other night and now I feel bad.

Here's the breakdown:

• she sent me an article and told me that Nigel Farage is going to ban abortion eventually if he wins an election. I read the article and pointed out he only suggested lowering the abortion cut off date to 22 weeks (not 24 as it is now). I told her it wasn't the end of the world and it's reasonable if you read his reasons. I also made the point that men shouldn't really be getting involved in abortion law but that what he said wasn't the end of the world.

• she asked me about immigration and I said that it's great but that we should be prioritising skilled immigrants and have stronger immigration laws. She also asked about asylum seekers and hotels and I said that we should have stronger laws about monitoring people and collecting documentation when people arrive.

• she sent me and asked about Elon Musk's Nazi salute and I said I didn't interpret it that way

• I said that immigrants who rape or murder should be deported.

To me this feels really reasonable and not over the top but she really attacked me for it? Now I feel really awkward and uncomfortable talking to her. Is this far right??

Well, I would hope the left support biological reality. I was replying to someone who told me a socialist and a feminist could not agree with Trump's 'two genders' (by which he meant 'sex', being US mealy-mouthed). One will have to include Keir Starmer and most of the UK government front bench in the term 'right whingers', sadly.

I'm more concerned you didn't recognise what Musk did as a Nazi salute.

Suggesting your knowledge around the issues facing America right now is severely lacking. Making excuses for a nazi as "I didn't recognise....blah blah blah" is worrying.

I watched Elons speech live and my gut physically contracted at that gesture. It wasn't awkward jazz hands, it wasn't "my brick for a heart to yours" and it definitely wasn't a nervous "stim" which is one of the more offensive "explanations" I've seen.

He did it twice to make sure the whole room got it. Anyone with the tiniest amount of intelligence and knowledge of history knows full well that even an "accidental" adjacent Nazi style salute will draw controversy. He could have touched his heart with both hands and thrown them open palmed to the crowd. He could have blown kisses. If his instinct was to do that particular gesture, it begs the question what are his instincts. He's all over pronatalism, second cousin of eugenics for a start.

Couple that with the occasional chanting that permeated the whole inauguration activities and the nauseating repetition of Trump having been divinely chosen to save the world and while you can parrot "Godwins law" till the cows come home, the ideological parallels between now and roughly a century ago are pretty damn obvious. Not wanting to believe it because there's possibly a tiny pearl in the shit doesn't make it so. And at that point you need to bite the mythical pearl pretty hard just in case it's been generated by AI.

Anyone with centrist views is 'far right' these days so I wouldn't worry.

It's meaningless.

Can't find any evidence of Errol Musk having Nazi connections and am more horrified that he had a dc with his stepdaughter who he’d known since she was 4.

That is disgusting.🤮

@TooBigForMyBoots I agree and how on earth have we ended up here?

I don't mean in the sense of an indepth analysis but how have seemingly ordinary people turned this way....supporting these monsters?

Of course not but you’ll be told it is 🙄

This one fails as well? They're doing it off to one side, guessing Hitler would have had them shot as well?

According to a scary number of people these are probably just a nice bunch of tolerant lads flagging down a bus ..

That is the terminology used in the Act. That is the actual term that is used in the Abortion Act 1967. The exact phrase is:

"(d) that there is a substantial risk that if the child were born it would suffer from such physical or mental abnormalities as to be seriously handicapped."

It is also the terminology used in reporting abortion statistics on the gov.uk website. For example here:

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/abortion-statistics-for-england-and-wales-2022/abortion-statistics-england-and-wales-2022

So, it is correct when talking about the specific ground for an abortion to use the word "handicapped" as that is the relevant word used in the Abortion Act.

He also went on SNL and did the white power symbol as well, tried to hide it but it was glaringly obvious.

This made me laugh but I could cry. Surely they are just Star Wars fans, Mistress.

What strikes me about this thread is that historically, if you'd been asking if someone was 'left-wing' or 'right-wing', the main criteria would be economic: views of taxation, the Welfare State, the size and power of the State, the rights of trade unions, etc.

Nowadays it seems immigration is the only shibboleth that matters: anything short of 'open borders; all are welcome' seems to mark you down as 'right-wing' to some extent. I can't help thinking this is assisted by a mighty helping of virtue-signalling.

What a sorry state of affairs! I too have had clashes with a few people over my views on single sex spaces and similar.

Seems like only those who have very left-leaning views/'fashionable' are safe to express them.

Poor OP. I think it's awful what your friend has called you. I'd find it hard to remain friends after that tbh.

Worrying, isn't it.

If people don’t agree with Khan, they suddenly become a far-right conspiracy theorist. It’s an easy way for him to push his agenda to silence any opposition.

@duc748 you have hit the nail on the head there..

I could cry too. It's such a sad, scary and regressive time. Solidarity in the madness 😘

Very different from what Musk was doing.

I second this. Your friend is gaslighting you and manipulating you to believe her values are universal. I think every woman has the right to do what she wants with her own body but there is something absolutely sinister about terminating a 24 week foetus unless on health grounds.

How? How is it different? Break it down for me, 1984 style.

Now this is definitely a nazi salute 🙋

Your friend has obviously never met a genuine far right extremist person in her life.

OP, your views would be classed by them as tepid fence sitting centrist views by people on the far right.

I had a childhood friend basically disown our friendship this week, we didn't even vote Trump as we're both independent/center right maybe, but because I said some of his executive orders are for very good things he fully lost it.

I'm interested that Nigel Farage is preoccupied with abortion rights. Why? Is it part of a policy for dealing with the pressure on the NHS? If so, what else is he offering? Apart from blaming the people who come on the boats for every damn thing that's wrong with the country.