Am I a far right extremist?

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I had a conversation with my best friend of 25 years the other day and she called me a far right extremist and how my views are scary, dangerous and 'nazi coded'
I was really shocked as I didn't think any of what I said was bad. I'm not a particularly avid supporter of any political party and very much keep opinions to myself. She's very supportive of labour and anti trump and always has been. Usually when she asks me my opinions I just don't want to get into it but I did the other night and now I feel bad.

Here's the breakdown:

• she sent me an article and told me that Nigel Farage is going to ban abortion eventually if he wins an election. I read the article and pointed out he only suggested lowering the abortion cut off date to 22 weeks (not 24 as it is now). I told her it wasn't the end of the world and it's reasonable if you read his reasons. I also made the point that men shouldn't really be getting involved in abortion law but that what he said wasn't the end of the world.

• she asked me about immigration and I said that it's great but that we should be prioritising skilled immigrants and have stronger immigration laws. She also asked about asylum seekers and hotels and I said that we should have stronger laws about monitoring people and collecting documentation when people arrive.

• she sent me and asked about Elon Musk's Nazi salute and I said I didn't interpret it that way

• I said that immigrants who rape or murder should be deported.

To me this feels really reasonable and not over the top but she really attacked me for it? Now I feel really awkward and uncomfortable talking to her. Is this far right??

I'd agree with that.

Yep. That’s where OP lost me as well. Making excuses for a Hitlergruß (two, actually!!) has covert nazi - or at least apologist - written all over it…

Fair enough! I think most of the damage is to NI and is caused by France - Macron is on record as saying the UK should be punished for Brexit. There are days when I wish I was French tbh.

Truth is what's lost meaning, as your post clearly shows. He accused them of "joining hands" with the far right.

Mr Khan said he found it “unacceptable” that “some of those with legitimate objections joining hands with someone outside part of a far-right group, who are ... let's be frank, let's call a spade a spade. Some of those outside are part of the far-right, some are Covid deniers, some are vaccine deniers and some are Tories.”

I can't think how you could possibly have got that so mixed up.

And what does it matter what your views are labelled as? If they’re your opinions they’re your opinions, you wouldn’t (I hope) suddenly change your mind because someone labelled you. That would be very fickle.

Although that conversation seems stilted and unnatural, not one I could imagine having with one of my friends.

Yeah that’s really concerning isn’t it? We definitely need to be more vigilant for that type of thing.

Also it’s scary how many people are taking the abortion comments at face value and not questioning why he’s suddenly raising this topic? Who funds him, what are their motivations? Considering 90+% abortions take place before 12 weeks it’s very odd, trying to give the impression (as we’ve seen in the US) there are tons of careless women aborting half way through pregnancy for the hell of it.

Frustration at people not asking deeper questions, following the money, being vigilant citizens etc probably leads to name calling.

Just don't talk politics with your friend.

I am shocked anyone who calls themself a feminist supports the idea that men can be women (or vice versa). There are only two sexes, male and female, they are immutable and defined by their reproductive capacity: women/females produce large gametes (or have/had the potential to), men/males produce small gametes (or have/had the potential to). I don't see why that is a shocking belief in a socialist, surely socialists are for scientific accuracy?
Re: Trump, I think the consensus is that he chose 'genders' rather than 'sexes' in his speech (but not in the Executive Order) because of US prudery around the word 'sex'. For the record, he obviously meant sex, because that is what he ordered in the EO.

He supports Tommy Robinson and the far right AFD in Germany. He amplifies antisemitism on X. His response to the outrage of his actions was to tweet a load of holocaust puns, not clarify or apologise.

If it walks like a Nazi, talks like a Nazi and does Nazi salutes, it's probably a Nazi.🤷‍♀️

Curtis Zy-Keith Means is the world's most premature surviving baby, born at 21 weeks and one day. He was born in July 2020 at UAB Hospital in the United States.

Babies are becoming viable at earlier gestations as technology advances. I don't think taking advice from Nigel Farage on where the line should be drawn makes sense.

Hmm populism what's the worst that could happen

As with sharks! But I don't think OP has an opinion on Musk (as do I not, really, not having seen what he did) because she did not see the gesture. Not having an opinion is fine.

Fair enough. Not sure it is a slippery slope, though.

Some people just get completely hysterical if everybody doesn't necessarily hold the same views as them and demand they take themselves off Facebook and so on ad nausea. It's very tedious.
I'm liberal to left and couldn't care less if friends are tory or support Nigel Farage. Everyone has a vote regardless.
I've only ever taken someone off my social media once when they posted a load of racist crap directly onto my page. We are no longer friends.
He knew my siblings are mixed race and did it to offend. I can't have that.
He needs to keep his penis in his pants.

Anti-Global-majority-ists, I guess. Very difficult, but does not apply in the UK. And I wish Farage would emigrate if he likes the US system so much.

I would say that your views on Elon Musk’s nazi salute are a huge red flag. Combined with your evident distrust of immigrants/ foreigners……it’s not a good look. It’s looking a bit fascist.

The hypocrisy here is astounding.

You see some males as women and are upset for them that they are being denied their 'lived experience' and told to stay out of women's single sex spaces and sports!

It's not a shocking belief at all. Most people believe in biological reality, both left and right. Gender Critical feminism is very leftwing. The Morning Star newspaper opposes TWAW beliefs.

That the left don't believe in biological realism is a lie told by right whingers who use the trans shitshow as a weapon in their culture wars.

I agree. Our woes are blamed on 'others' in order for those in power to hold on to power. I'm not sure how we get round it - revolution is a) bloody and b) currently not on the cards because of general disempowerment of ordinary people. This may change, of course.

So why did the Democrats under Biden on the first day of his presidency remove women's rights to fair sport by EO?

Sorry, so am I puzzled. Did not read before posting (tired, dog needed feeding etc). I have become less comfortable with support for abortion on demand, for example (I edited it to be more grammatically correct, I think, and forgot to add 'less').

YANBU.

Not far right at all. There's lot's of common sense in what you said.

But even if you were, that would be as acceptable and valid as being far left.

Oh I didn’t realise he’d admitted it, where did you read that? I’m off to google.

His dad was a representative of the PFP, a party standing against the apartheid regime in South Africa.
Errol Musk accused his ex wife’s father of having Nazi connections.
Elon’s maternal grandfather.

Cant find any evidence of Errol Musk having Nazi connections and am more horrified that he had a dc with his stepdaughter who he’d known since she was 4.