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AIBU?

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She doesn't speak English - pointless meeting up

387 replies

Dannnyy · 24/01/2025 06:57

My brother recently got engaged, he and his fiancée are coming to visit next week, we have met her briefly but have no relationship with her really.
My parents really want us all to go out for a meal, however she speaks 3 languages none of which are English. I know my brother could just translate and I have school level knowledge of one language. However I think it would be extremely awkward, and just not very fun. Apparently she is learning English but my brother says she's not in any hurry to get "good" at it.

AIBU to think it's pointless meeting for a meal in these circumstances?

OP posts:
Maurepas · 24/01/2025 07:31

OP - now you want to start off with a good will attitude. Anyway it may be a blessing she doesn't speak English. You need to go with the flow on this and be your charming self.

Thecomfortador · 24/01/2025 07:31

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/01/2025 07:25

Just speak slowly and shout. Oh, and make sure you all go to a restaurant where you can order a full English or fish and chips …..

And don't forget to gesticulate wildly.

Anyway, she might be nice and you might find you connect with her. If not, then at least you've made her feel welcome in the family if you make an effort to engage with her which hopefully she'll appreciate.

Theextraordinaryisintheordinary · 24/01/2025 07:33

This is great then, you can embrace this as a new opportunity. Show her love. You’ll feel good inside and it’ll make your brother proud to show you off! Take a small gift.

‘peace starts with a smile’

AlteredStater · 24/01/2025 07:34

YABVU OP. Please make the effort, she will be your SIL soon and her opinion of you will be far better if you try rather than not bother going. Extend the hand of welcome, you don't need to speak the same language to show her friendliness!

In the past I travelled with my then-husband to a country where I didn't speak the language to meet his family, but it was good (if quite tiring at times) and there was no lack of warmth or welcome, I was sad to say goodbye!

YRGAM · 24/01/2025 07:34

PigInAHouse · 24/01/2025 07:26

My BIL doesn’t speak much English. I don’t speak much of his language. BIL and SIL have been together 11 years now, and we still manage to meet up for a 2 week holiday every year (they live in his home country). It’s fine, and we get by, helped by the fact that both of us speak a decent amount of a third language.
The thing that stands out is that you expect her to speak multiple languages but you only speak English. Why do you have higher expectations of her than you do of yourself?

Edited

I understand the sentiment but English is in a category of its own as the global lingua franca. Especially in Europe, I think it's reasonable to select English as the most likely shared language to hold a conversation in, so comparing her not knowing English to him not knowing Fr/De/It isn't a fair comparison, in my opinion.

CurlewKate · 24/01/2025 07:34

Probably one of the most British posts I have ever read!

ThreeLocusts · 24/01/2025 07:34

OP what a pile on. Sounds to me like your issue could be with being asked to care about a brother you were never close to.

And if he was the little prince and your mother seems overinvested in his happiness, I understand. (Speculating I know.) But perhaps it's a chance to meet as grownups, on a different level?

Have deepl translation open on your phone. I'd want to ask her about food, they must have interesting dishes in that border region.

NigelHarmansNewWife · 24/01/2025 07:35

This is the perfect opportunity for you to broaden your horizons. Don't rely on your brother to translate - use body language, pictures and photos on your phone, etc to communicate. Much more fun and open.

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sashh · 24/01/2025 07:35

I've had conversations with people when we don't speak the same language. Go for the meal, just smile and be nice.

WineseCuisine · 24/01/2025 07:36

And here I thought blatantly colonial 'better than thou' attitudes had gone out of fashion some time ago. OP, what you're suggesting is disrespectful to the extreme.

As for the astonishment that someone from a Western European country does not speak English: Germany, France and Italy all have population sizes similar to or greater than that of the UK. (And their own colonial pasts and xenophobic attitudes, but let's not get into that right now.) Most people there can go through their entire lives just fine without speaking anything but their native language, if you can imagine it. And they certainly do not see speaking English as anything to aspire to.

Have you ever tried to order a coffee in English in Paris without at least making the effort of starting with 'Bonjour'? I can only recommend you try it, and see how it feels to be on the receiving end of your own attitudes.

StMarie4me · 24/01/2025 07:36

romdowa · 24/01/2025 07:20

Im going to go against the grain a small bit here. I wouldn't meet them for dinner , maybe a coffee instead might be less awkward and of shorter duration 😅

A lot more talking required though!

Sleepysleepycoffeecoffee · 24/01/2025 07:37

YABU - unless you don’t have any sort of relationship with your brother? She will be your SIL. Are you going to avoid her forever because ‘it’s not worth it’ as you don’t speak the same language???

MassiveSalad22 · 24/01/2025 07:37

What do you mean by ‘worth it’ though? Makes it sound like you think this SIL is provided for your own entertainment.

Ameliepoulainandthephotobooth · 24/01/2025 07:37

You sound incredibly ignorant.

PigInAHouse · 24/01/2025 07:38

YRGAM · 24/01/2025 07:34

I understand the sentiment but English is in a category of its own as the global lingua franca. Especially in Europe, I think it's reasonable to select English as the most likely shared language to hold a conversation in, so comparing her not knowing English to him not knowing Fr/De/It isn't a fair comparison, in my opinion.

I didn’t say anything about the OP not knowing Fr/De/It, just commenting that she hasn’t bothered to learn a single other language (whatever that may be) but seems disgruntled that her brother’s partner hasn’t learned English on top of the 3 languages she already speaks.
As I said, my (European) BIL doesn’t speak any English. I don’t speak any of his language. However I speak a decent amount of French, as does he, so we get by.
So many English people don’t bother learning any other languages because they just assume everyone else will speak theirs. Well the OP has now realised that’s not the case.

RampantIvy · 24/01/2025 07:39

Dannnyy · 24/01/2025 07:23

Okay I appreciate I'm being unreasonable.

I've never left the uk, not even on holiday and I live in a very homogenous small northern town where there are very few non English people let alone non English speaking people. So this is a new experience for me.

Royston Vasey? 😁

I live in a small northern village, but the local inhabitants aren't as inward looking and xenophobic as you are.

Have you never wanted to expand your horizons?

sjs42 · 24/01/2025 07:40

Op come on. It’s 2025. Use your phone. You can talk at it and it’ll speak to her in any language you want.

Dannnyy · 24/01/2025 07:41

Perhaps my parents are exaggerating how little English she speaks, my mum made it out like she knows little past hi/bye.

I've "met" her before, but it was at a wedding and we didn't say much past hi or bye.

Others have agreed that it would be odd for someone who is from her region wouldn't know any English at all.

OP posts:
Kurokurosuke · 24/01/2025 07:41

Totally unreasonable. Friends and family are the main reasons people become proficient in other languages. And communication comes in many ways.

SeaUrchinHat · 24/01/2025 07:42

Yeah why bother with someone who doesn’t speak English OP. Bloody hell. I imagine she’s not in a hurry to meet up with you either if this is any indication of your general attitude (undoubtedly your brother has already warned her). Would you have anything in common with a tri-linguist anyway? She sounds very accomplished.

reichs79 · 24/01/2025 07:42

This can't be serious...

brunettemic · 24/01/2025 07:42

I’m surprised he even wants you to meet her given how awful you sound.

Tipperttruck · 24/01/2025 07:43

I had this situation. I went a long, tried to include her as much as possible but naturally spoke to my family member too. The woman then went absolutely crazy and stormed out because we had spoken in English a few times. It was horribly tense and the relationship was never repaired.

LegoHouse274 · 24/01/2025 07:43

reichs79 · 24/01/2025 07:42

This can't be serious...

Reads a bit like a reverse