Axel Rudakubana

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I haven't seen anything in articles I have read about Axel Rudakubana today about a mental health assessment. His behaviour is so extreme, that it is difficult not to suspect he is suffering from an untreated mental health condition. Does anyone else think that mental illness may be at the root of his horrific crimes?

It's a debate whenever someone does something truly evil - you have to be assessed as to whether you are mentally ill before you can use that in a defence, but you could argue that noone that psychopathic is 'normal' and all are mentally ill to some degree. I suppose the line has to be wherever mental illness becomes mental incapacity, i.e. your mental illness prevents you knowing right from wrong or seriously impairs your ability not to act on violent tendencies.

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You are confusing autism with being a psychopath- 2 very different things

Would add, there are Nazi war criminals who did the most horrendous things to children who were in no way, shape or form suffering from a diagnosable mental health issue, who were perfectly able to function in society before, during and after their crimes.

Yes.

Misogyny.

Didn't the last government turn down the chance to include Misogyny as a type of hate crime or aggravating factor.

Yes people like this are very clearly PD, but that cant be diagnosed prior to 18, CAMHS wont do that

Although there is an ambiguous status of PD in terms o MH disorders (because its considered untreatable, although there is debate about that too), for me its not difficult to say that this is part of not being in his right mind or not being 'wired right' as someone said, PD is usually, nearly always accompanied by extremely dysregulated, disturbed thought and often behaviour, an unreal perception, paranoia, obsession, often a lack of insight and empathy. Added to any other disorders or conditions he had its a lethal combination if one of his obsessions is to harm people.

This guy is fully culpable for what he did, psychopathy and autistic or not. There was no evidence he did not understand the consequences. Instead he planned and relished them. Like Brady, a sadistic killer of children, for his own pleasure.

His apparent Autism I would say is separate to his evil psychological need to kill young girls. The two are not mutually exclusive.

It bothers me as an Autistic woman that Autism is even mentioned in court whereby Men kill women and girls.

Approximately two women per week are killed by Men

The Autism here is a red herring. In the same way that non Autistic people can also be psychological killers.

This is appallingly ignorant and ableist. There is not a ‘type of autistic person’ that kills children. Suggest you urgently spend some time researching autism.

He's autistic with a coexisting personality disorder (like jonty bravery). His remarks to the judge illustrate how much he expected to be treated as the vulnerable party even then. There will be a guy like him every few years forever.

High Functioning Autism can be related to violence, particularly when undiagnosed, and alongside ADHD.

I know .. as my daugher is high functioning, was undiagnosed, and was violent, due to sensory overload.

i was persistent enough to get in with CAMHS, where she was prescribed medication, which has led to her not being violent anymore.

There are no services to help you out with violent children like this … Social Services are not interested, school are not interested, CAMHS waiting lists are a couple of years long, GPs won’t prescribe to under 18s, the police can’t do much.. So who are you left to speak to?

We could afford, had the contacts, and had the knowledge to access both private and NHS treatment.

CAMHS are at an absolute crisis .. and we will get more undiagnosed and untreated children, becoming violent and dysfunctional adults.

I don’t believe “evil” is a thing … it put blame back into some mumbo-jumbo, ethereal concept.

So when I hear “parents should have accessed help” .. from where exactly .. it does not exist.

I also reported your offensive post Mistletoe

There is an entire remit of services within the health service to prevent people with ASD being hospitalised and sectioned

Additionally children very very very rarely get sectioned and even then thats for a month or two at most, most of the time, there ar always exceptions

Hospitals will discharge if there is no improvement or change because there is no point the person being there if they cant be 'treated'

I have an issue with PDs not being considered poor mental health, even if it isnt considered an 'illness'. Its certainly a disorder and one which often makes the client act in ways in which is disturbed and dysfunctionally.

The problem is that you can’t lock someone up for what they may do in the future. For him to be sectioned for any length of time he’d have to have been diagnosed with a treatable mental illness. Whatever his issues are, they’re not something that will respond to treatment.

He has autism and his special interest was genocidal violence. He’s spent hours looking at images and videos of torture, killing and bodies. He’s been violent towards his family and others. He’s been stopped by police while carrying a weapon. It was utterly predictable that he would commit some horrendous act but what do you do with someone like that?

I'm sorry if I expressed myself poorly, there was someone on the other thread about this individual who was describing their autistic son having no empathy and how they worry about him doing something like this and it's very frightening to me that there are families with children like this. I can see of course that there must have been a lot more wrong with him that just autism.

Yes of course he has mental health issues.

Just like any other person who commits awful crimes.

Do you think the serial killer who chopped his mums head off and had sex with it, was in his right mind?

No one would go out and kill innocent kids without being seriously messed up in the head.

In some ways, they cannot ‘help’ what they’re doing but that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be punished.

You have to have a very high level of mental illness to go to broadmoor.

He had mental health issues but it was his obsession with nazis and extremist Islamic ideology created a monster.

Prison is just as much about protecting the public, as it is punishing the criminal.

I have an issue with PDs not being considered poor mental health, even if it isnt considered an 'illness'. Its certainly a disorder and one which often makes the client act in ways in which is disturbed and dysfunctionally.

They’re more a description of a pattern of thought and behaviour. To fit the categories that are the most prone to violence towards others, you are by definition incapable of any sort of empathy for others, any insight into your own behaviour or any desire to change.

Whenever these type of incidents come up and whenever the predictable history of violence/harming animals/sexualised behaviour (whichever is applicable) comes to light,,,, people say 'why wasnt something done' why wasnt this person sectioned

But the reality is that society doesnt have the appetite for locking anyone up for things they might do or sectioning indefinitely, particuarly because those who are violent/disturbed/in prison etc, are those with vulnerabilities, so ND, LD, poor MH etc etc.

So are we saying we lock people up at the slightest sniff of disturbance, when do you get to the point you take them out of society? And you can be sure their parents would protest against this.

We have to live with the risk of this if we dont want that.

Woah, there is absolutely no comparison between an autistic child lashing out when they are overwhelmed and a premeditated attack like this.

He's actually been under the care of Camhs in the past so will have or have had some kind of real or suspected mental illness or personality disorder that he's been seen for.

I worked in the NHS with patients with actual mental health issues and psychiatric conditions. The vast, vast majority of people with severe psychiatric issues are more likely to harm themselves than anyone else. And like a pp said, as a parent of an ASD child I’m glad the judge has made the distinction between his actions and ASD. Autism doesn’t make you more likely to harm anyone else either.

There is something ‘wrong’ with him but it’s nothing that can be treated. I would be interested to see what he was accessing on the internet and what he had been exposed to.

He is part of a list of very evil men.
Tes Bundy
Peter Sutcliffe
Thomas Hamilton
The Columbine school shooters.

No rhyme or reason - just evil. What makes them that way I have no clue.

May he rot in jail.

That may have been for his ASD diagnosis, not necessarily mental health.

'under the care of CAMHS'

Theres a sentence which is in breach of the Trades Description Act.

Article here about Autism and violence .. I understand what people are saying, but, my daugher was violent, due to her Autism. This has stopped now she is on Sertraline

https://www.thinkingautism.org.uk/aggression-in-autism-one-simple-cause/