Axel Rudakubana

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I haven't seen anything in articles I have read about Axel Rudakubana today about a mental health assessment. His behaviour is so extreme, that it is difficult not to suspect he is suffering from an untreated mental health condition. Does anyone else think that mental illness may be at the root of his horrific crimes?

Yes, his only concern in court was for himself, that he felt ill, that he " couldn't keep on listening to this,".

Yes and I think it's fairly obvious. There is no such thing as 'evil'. I hope this individual is never in a position to hurt anyone ever again (and I wish for a revolution of some kind in mental health in our country and all the agencies, authorities, institutions which are currently unfit for purpose and failing so very many people.)

I wondered if he covered his face to try to ensure that he is not recognised in prison.

Sectioned for what purpose? You can't section someone indefinitely and personality disorders aren't treatable really

Yes, I also wondered if he was hiding (and more worryingly, being continually allowed to hide) some distinguishing mark or feature of his lower face which identifies him unmistakably.

To try to make sense of this in any logical kind of way, I sometimes wonder if these people are put amongst us as a genetic fault to bring communities together. This doesn't in anyway condone him or take the horror away from these families and the situation...but maybe it is some sort of perverse design of nature that creates a common enemy and a line that cannot be crossed, benefiting collective in the long run. I can only think this is why these individuals are predisposed to being this way.

Eh??! 😵

Sectioned for the safety of others. At 11/12 he was attacking others with a knife hence he was expelled. He was quite clearly a threat but fell through the net.
Autism isn’t a personality disorder although he probably has one.
I thought people could be sectioned indefinitely ?

Imagine being his defence team.
Honestly cases like these bring back the death penalty.

The power exists; I wonder why it was not used. At 11 hard to justify. But at 16 or 17, it would have been easier to do that,

It is circumstances that had him at home that need exploring as well as the authorities and what they did.

Too many excusing on grounds of mental health

I think he was evil and driven by that

But everyone, not matter how awful is entitled to a fair trial and they could ensure this.

I think there’s mask wearing could be linked to his autism. My dd and many of her friends often pull jumpers up, pull hoodies around their faces in public. They feel very uncomfortable with the idea of other people looking at them.

Before sentencing the defense team said they would be submitting evidence about his mental health (it's already been reported he has ASD) and previous incidents that might have an impact on sentencing but not a psychiatric evaluation. Probably because any such evaluation will not have helped their position, possibly because Rudakubana refused to undergo one.

uk.news.yahoo.com/axel-rudakubana-southport-sentencing-171709490.html

But surely, if there's no such thing as evil, because it's just brain processes, then there's no such thing as any kind of human quality really. Every thought is just brain processes. Or is it thinking of evil as being some kind of supernatural, inhuman thing, different to normal human descriptors? Is niceness possible, or just the result of brain processes.

Apologies, I've had a long day and I think I'm starting to ramble...I think I'd better leave it here.

I'm not a psychiatrist, but I don't think you can be sectioned just for the safety of others. You have to have been assessed as having a treatable mental disorder.

Also, I have read somewhere, and I don't know if it's true, someone else will have to verify it, but apparently the version of this 'Al Quaeda manual' that is available to download (or at Waterstones?) is not the full version, but all the actual dangerous stuff (like how to make ricin?) is blanked out or omitted. However, he was charged with being in possession of documents "of a type likely to be useful in preparing terrorist acts", which suggests that he had got the full, uncensored version of that manual, which apparently you can't just download from any old place. If that is correct, then he had some sort of accomplices or helpers, as he was given it by someone. Also, it can't be THAT easy to make ricin, otherwise 'ricin crime' would be as common as knife crime. I've only heard of it once or twice before. Surely you've got to have equipment, know-how, and/or contacts to get hold of that sort of stuff. There's a lot we still don't know about this, in my view.

I would suspect a personality disorder. He's very much not normal but has the capacity to understand what he's done and apparently shows no sign of disordered thinking like schizophrenia. It's likely he'll never be released thank God.

There wasnt any 'defence' as such he pled guilty

Behaviour can be evil (or kind or any other descriptor), but there is no 'soul' or 'heart' guiding your actions. No-one is evil in the biblical sense. If we look closely enough, and one day we probably will be able to, we will find this boys faulty wiring. I think it's unhelpful for scientific progress to accept 'oh well he's just evil'.

When the terrible event in Southport happened, I fully expected him to be diagnosed with a serious MH issue, probably schizoprenia because it was the right age for it to fully manifest, but that clearly hasn't happened and I'm sure he was fully assessed.

Noone who isn't a mental health professional who has done these assessments on him is qualified to say of course, but perhaps personality disorder of an extremely severe kind. It has nothing to do with autism.

There’s pics without his mask, his teeth are perfectly fine.

There is no psych report

People seem to be making up stuff to fill this gap

He’s clearly very ill, very warped, very far from normal. A sociopath or psychopath or whatever. I don’t know what posters mean by ‘evil’ though especially with sometime is so clearly insane, and if it can’t be defined then it can’t be an explanation.

but I do believe that irredeemably insane people need to be locked away forever to protect society.

Personally I think its unlikely that it had no relevance to his actions. He will have been extremely obsessed and hyper focused which can be very common particularly in high functioning clients

I dont really care if the judge said that or not, judges arent infallible.