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Axel Rudakubana

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Dylanxoxo · 23/01/2025 20:13

I haven't seen anything in articles I have read about Axel Rudakubana today about a mental health assessment. His behaviour is so extreme, that it is difficult not to suspect he is suffering from an untreated mental health condition. Does anyone else think that mental illness may be at the root of his horrific crimes?

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Reugny · 26/01/2025 12:51

Hoover2025 · 25/01/2025 19:26

Yes they have. In a really long winded way that could take several years. Even though google are literally telling them they can process the court order U.K. side to speed it up.

Or if they had declared it as a terror incident then they could have got it near immediately through US.

But they are doing neither of those things. Which is really weird to me. Surely they would want that for the court. So why are they doing this now with a route that is purposefully longwinded.

Im with user on this that it looks like they don’t want the data. But why?!

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It doesn't fit the legal definition of a terror incident. The criminal bad no firm ideology he was just extremely violent for the sake of it.

Yes it would be possible for the police with help to get his search history but the state has to be very careful as we don't want to give the criminal any excuse to appeal his sentence. In addition we don't want civil liberty groups and members of parliament in either house, to point out that there are lots of legal rights abused which could be used to snope on any average person.

Extreme cases like this make bad law if we have knee jerk reactions to it.

Reugny · 26/01/2025 12:56

Macrodatarefiner · 25/01/2025 19:39

"Unsubstantiated"

I've heard several vox pops with various Russians, asking them why Putin in still so widely supported in Russia. The response is always that those who support Putin are only watching or exposed to legacy media. Mainstream media channels. Whereas the youngsters use Telegram and other social media. Who is "substantiating" all their content?

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I suspect mothers whose sons are being sent to '"participate" in the "special operation" regardless of the media they consume aren't Putin's strongest supporters.

Point is people know that stuff is deliberately not put in the news for various reasons regardless of where they live.

In the case of the UK - thanks to the internet we have access to news from around the world including foreign views on British news stories from foreign mainstream channels. Yes the state can try and block us, but if we are desperate there are always ways round it.

Macrodatarefiner · 26/01/2025 13:51

Reugny · 26/01/2025 12:56

I suspect mothers whose sons are being sent to '"participate" in the "special operation" regardless of the media they consume aren't Putin's strongest supporters.

Point is people know that stuff is deliberately not put in the news for various reasons regardless of where they live.

In the case of the UK - thanks to the internet we have access to news from around the world including foreign views on British news stories from foreign mainstream channels. Yes the state can try and block us, but if we are desperate there are always ways round it.

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I don't think we can be certain of that. I don't think many mothers of Blairs illegal war in Iraq hated Blair, I think they were fearful for their children and didn't want them to suffer but also I believe many likely understood that their sons were heroes who were sacrificing safety and comfort for all our safety.

I'm not sure what the rest of the point you were making in your post was!

nfk · 26/01/2025 17:05

Username056 · 26/01/2025 09:49

A review of the role of Prevent is clearly needed. What are its current and future objectives? Is it resourced to achieve them with the right capabilities

However I do think there needs to be a clean slate review of everything. Maybe Prevent isn’t the right organisation any more and we need something different?

I do think every time something absolutely dreadful happens there’s an assumption that everything should largely just stay as it is apart from some tweaking at the margins around processing and communications. And that’s the sum total of “lessons learned”.

Prevent is the programme to counter radicalisation.

It's part of Contest (the wider counter terrorism programme)

It's not there to deal with those who are potentially going to be violent criminals in other ways. What seems to be lacking is a point of responsibility for those considered by other programmes (such as Prevent) and who do not fit that programme's aims but who are giving grounds for wider concern.

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