Axel Rudakubana

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I haven't seen anything in articles I have read about Axel Rudakubana today about a mental health assessment. His behaviour is so extreme, that it is difficult not to suspect he is suffering from an untreated mental health condition. Does anyone else think that mental illness may be at the root of his horrific crimes?

Exactly this - why is extreme misogyny not being treated as terrorism? It’s radicalisation the same as any other and I’m yet to hear anyone on the news say these words, that he was a violent misogynist and was motivated by an extreme hatred of women and girls. When will the hatred of women and girls be recognised for the violent epidemic it has become? Why won’t anyone name it for what it is, why do all the politicians and news reporters act like this is some great mystery? Making it harder to buy a knife won’t address the issue. I honestly despair.

The fact that HE rang childline, when he was 14, asking for help seems to indicate that he wasn't in full control of whatever was pushing him towards acts of violence. He simply didn't get the help he needed, I doubt his parents did either.

It will be the same issue of the MH professionals not being able to tick the right boxes that "prove" mental illness - just as the Prevent boxes were evidently not ticked for "terrorism". It's pretty clear to most people that he is both mentally ill and a terrorist - but with the right intervention he could have been prevented from carrying out acts of violence.

Exactly this.
On the other thread there was a Psychologist/Psychiatrist {can't remember which} and they said that he likely had a personality disorder which are incredibly hard to treat.

Drugs so say don't work, and talking therapy needs actual engagement from the person with the personality disorder.

Warnings about incel violence after the spree shooting in 2021 in Plymouth. Victims included his mother and a 5 year old girl

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-58207064

''Right intervention'' in this case removing him from society before he has the change to enact his perverted fantasies and to make them a reality.

This is exactly what I'm saying on another thread. I don't believe this person is typical in their wiring. He is a walking personality disorder such as psychopathy, sociopathy. There is a complete absence of empathy. It is not typical.

I understand he was assessed but I do not believe there was not one part of them thinking he has multiple traits of a severely disordered personality! He does.

Is it possible that based on what he did, the high profile status, it was in the best interest of everyone there were no mitigating factors and he was best just put away in the fastest way possible with the toughest sentence. Which all of us agree with no matter what we think about his disordered mind.

Edit - edited to add that you can't be diagnosed as having a personality disorder such as sociopathy or psychopathy under age 18 so that's going to confuse things when considering he did this under 18 I believe. They know full well he's not right in the head and want him out of circulation - which of course we are in agreement with for the safety of others more than anything.

Perfectly said. I think it must be a demon from hell which is just where it belongs.

So often these creeps target women and girls.

One of the survivors of this latest creep said she thought he looked subhuman and evil.

He is clearly an extremely damaged person. There were multiple failings. In times past he would have been locked up in a secure unit before this happened. The red flags could have been seen from space. I can’t imagine being the parent of such a child.

Something must have happened to him in the period between the smiley happy picture of him as a 13 yesr old in school uniform and the crazed, deranged hollow look now...

He is an outlier. Some people are like that.

I think it's inconceivable to most people that a person can carry out this type of heinous crime and not have mh problems. By virtue that most people are shocked to the core and believe that no 'normal' person could commit such an atrocity, they're left with the far more comfortable explanation that it's a mental health problem. To ready him for trial, he'd have had assessments as to his sanity. The defence would have looked at certain mitigating circumstances. The fact was, there were none. Nobody can explain how or why this happened. I've always erred on the 'mad, not bad' side of the discussion, but I've got to admit, this case has left me with so many questions that I'm lost in terms of comprehension. All I know is that having heard of nothing but this all day, I couldn't wait to get home and hold my 8yo dd closer than ever this evening in appreciation of everything I have, and everything others have lost.

They said he was fine until he turned 13 at which point he just switched

I know. Proper wtf?! There's some nonsense being spouted on this thread, and no amount of logic will counter it.

Not really- sections require frequent renewal and there are hearings and tribunals to review if it is still by law 'necessary'

There also has to in the first instance be a mental disorder, which requires treatment in hospital

The majority of the prison population will by definition have anti social personality disorder- this alone wouldn't enable you to detain someone in hospital indefinitely
Violent young people are generally dealt with by the criminal justice system rather than through health services

The psychiatric report indicated his ASD had no relation to his offending

If there had even been a hint of a mental disorder the defence would have gone for manslaughter by means of diminished responsibility
It is clear he understood his actions and the consequences and there was a significant amount of premeditation

From hearing about the things he was obsessed with - mass murders etc it sounds like he went down a rabbit hole on the internet and self radicalised.

Parents need to stay close to their kids internet activity. Blaming Amazon for selling him a knife is a cop out. He was a ticking timebomb, he would have found a way to carry out his sick obsession.

The criteria for sectioning under the MHA is having a treatable mental disorder.

Good point about the ricin, and we better hope it isn’t that easy to make or we are all in very big trouble. He apparently had enough to kill 12,000.

he was mentally assessed and deemed fit. to stand trial., he is IMO a violent psychopath. this is a personality disorder and there is very little treatment available, its not a mental healthdisease but a personality type.

I am sick of seeing that smug looking arrogant looking photo of him with his pulled in mouth an rolling eyes .
The sooner he is locked up for good ( or at least his sentence ) the better .

Though if it's 52 years he'll only be 70 when he is released and the tax payers can look after him all over again.
That said there's a good chance he won't survive prison ?

He is evil, he looked possessed but he is not mentally ill.

The life expectancy for prison is poor. Bad diet, limited mental stimulation, social isolation, violence ...

@70isaLimitNotaTarget Though if it's 52 years he'll only be 70 when he is released and the tax payers can look after him all over again.

I agree that this disgusting sack of shit should never be released, but I wouldn't say "only 70" as these days, most people seem to be dying younger than 70. Hopefully he will die before 70 and die in prison.

Wait, where has this all come from? I have not seen anything to suggest that Rudakubana had incel tendencies.

Yes I think he is psychotic.

Apparently the child he attacked for bullying him and talking about him had never met him and had no idea who he was.

He also went insane when a stranger knocked on the door and the police had to be called as he was having some kind of breakdown.