Axel Rudakubana

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I haven't seen anything in articles I have read about Axel Rudakubana today about a mental health assessment. His behaviour is so extreme, that it is difficult not to suspect he is suffering from an untreated mental health condition. Does anyone else think that mental illness may be at the root of his horrific crimes?

Well they aren't going to tell us who is on the watch list for sure

Have you not been reading the news? The police have submitted a request to Google and Microsoft to get his search history.

Yes they have. In a really long winded way that could take several years. Even though google are literally telling them they can process the court order U.K. side to speed it up.

Or if they had declared it as a terror incident then they could have got it near immediately through US.

But they are doing neither of those things. Which is really weird to me. Surely they would want that for the court. So why are they doing this now with a route that is purposefully longwinded.

Im with user on this that it looks like they don’t want the data. But why?!

i know the Telegraph is hated on here but there were several people commenting on this story saying that it is perfectly possible to retrieve the history without having to go to Microsoft.

If they have the data - the public are at risk of finding out.

The word on Twitter/X you mean and completely unsubstantiated?

If other areas of law are similar, it may be that you cant use a court order to achieve something that has another way of doing it without court orders.

Google can say this, but they're not lawyers or solicitors. Someone may know the exact legal mechanisms involved and explain why this isnt a route the police can or should use?

"Unsubstantiated"

I've heard several vox pops with various Russians, asking them why Putin in still so widely supported in Russia. The response is always that those who support Putin are only watching or exposed to legacy media. Mainstream media channels. Whereas the youngsters use Telegram and other social media. Who is "substantiating" all their content?

The Boomtown Rats song ' I don't like Mondays' is about a school shooter who, when asked why she did it just said ' I dont like Mondays'. I don't know how you can explain people like this, or even prevent it no matter how hard you try. How can you ' treat' people with that kind of complete lack of remorse or conscience?

@Macrodatarefiner aren't you that poster who said that she threw the puppies her dog had in the river because it was quicker and less hassle than putting them up for adoption?

Oh you aren't? Now you are. I heard it on the hood.

What's that got to do with the British born rudakabana who. Had more red flags than a parade and was still able to do it?

Finding what?!

Hopefully it is that. Because I can’t see any sense in why they wouldn’t want it fast!

What on earth are you waffling on about

Rudakabanas dad is some kind of warlord but couldn't stop him getting in a taxi.
Ok

That is the Twitter conspiracy; that the dad was a warlord in the genocide and was bought over with 9 others under Blair. And that Keir happened to be his human rights lawyer - either to stop him being extradited or get citizenship or something.

Obviously there’s no proof so no idea. But that’s what some are saying over there. And they say a lot of untrue things over there! Like that he was Muslim and he attended the local mosque which has been said isn’t true.

Username checks out.

There's no need to be so rude. Would you like me explain my post again in clearer language to help you understand?

Just goes to show you can post any old shite doesn't it!

@Macrodatarefiner I'm okay thanks

It’s quite the claim. Even if it were true I have no idea what that’s got to do with Axel and why he did this.

Do you know , I actually feel very sorry for the families of these kids. They had to deal with the riots of idiots who claimed to be doing it Imin their name and watch the place get trashed, see his evil face on TV and his performance on court, and have people online talking a whole load of conspiracy shit.

You’re not wrong. I did think twice about whether I should repeat what was being said. You’re welcome to report and I’m happy for MN to take down if they think is best.

Social media companies need to remove violent content to stop this extreme content making people who are vulnerable to it, into extremists.
Glad to see that the Home Secretary is speaking out on the violent content that this person with his violent ideation was watching online. Wish she would also add misogynistic content to the list since this is an added online danger too:

‘Shortly before he carried out the stabbings, Rudakubana watched graphic footage of a knife attack on Australian bishop Mari Emmanuel that had taken place a few months earlier.

The video had been removed in Australia but was available in the UK which "laid bare the potential consequences of failing to act on such content," Cooper said.’

BBC live news reporting the government comment on the case today. See also at 08.56 today- the government are starting a public inquiry into the case, a review of Prevent, and Starmer is saying this case should ‘form a line in the sand’.

I absolutely agree and really hope it does.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c7vdr07dznvt

A review of the role of Prevent is clearly needed. What are its current and future objectives? Is it resourced to achieve them with the right capabilities

However I do think there needs to be a clean slate review of everything. Maybe Prevent isn’t the right organisation any more and we need something different?

I do think every time something absolutely dreadful happens there’s an assumption that everything should largely just stay as it is apart from some tweaking at the margins around processing and communications. And that’s the sum total of “lessons learned”.

Yes, or others. Your post said danger to others was a requirement, but someone can be sectioned just for danger to self.

@Totallymessed yes absolutely.
. I've looked into sectioning before but because he wasn't assessed to have issues he wasn't considering for sectioning.

It's all a huge worry isn't it.

Thing is though this is so far out of the normal it’s hard to process and understand. The rage required to stab a little girl 100 plus times is a cut above normal murder. It goes against every natural instinct we have as humans to protect children. I’m sure there must be some sort of personality disorder there as it is so unusual and warped

This event will also change lots of lives in tiny ways. My daughter’s dance classes have now reviewed security and will be locking doors for classes. Minor inconvenience but the fact this now comes up on risk assessments as a risk to consider is so sad. Until this event, no-one was thinking that little girls at a dance class were a likely target. The whole thing is just incomprehensible that he actively targeted that group.