Axel Rudakubana

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I haven't seen anything in articles I have read about Axel Rudakubana today about a mental health assessment. His behaviour is so extreme, that it is difficult not to suspect he is suffering from an untreated mental health condition. Does anyone else think that mental illness may be at the root of his horrific crimes?

Yes. My relative is ALWAYS the victim. He can never hold down the most menial of jobs. Within 2 minutes of being there he expects to be the boss and can’t be told anything and gets fired. It will be everyone’s fault. Everyone is always against him in some way. He truly believes this too even though it can’t possibly be true. It’s like he needs to create ‘reasons’ for why he’s such a nasty person.

Axel may have received racist bullying but I can bet due to his strangeness, it was more complex. His odd behaviours may have repelled other children and they were abusive out of fear. This doesn’t excuse racism in the slightest, but it was probably more nuanced then ‘they made me do it!’.

Sorry but this is rubbish. There are so many mental illnesses and disorders and sooooo many variables related to both the diagnosis itself and the person affected by it/them (there could be many illnesses combined) that it's way too simplified to generalise that 'it's offensive to say mental illness= danger to others'. The truth is there are usually many complex ingredients when it comes to making such a dreadful recipe of dysfunction which results in the individual whose actions this thread is about.

Trying to work out why does not excuse, or remove responsibility from the offender. It does allow us to understand the factors that contributed to the terrible choice they made. What happened, so that their action was a possibility they considered and then commited to. Again, it doesn't excuse or condone that terrible choice. But it does give the chance to explore how to reduce those factors in the future, reducing the risk of more violent crime in order to benefit everyone in society.

@Coolasfeck - always the victim, always someone else's fault, never theirs, persecuted etc.

These people are always the same. Vampires of people. They make you feel ill when you speak to them because your instinct is telling you to get away.

It was calculated and those little girls weren’t accidental victims. He went out of his way to go there. If he was having a delusional episode then anyone in his way could have been the victim, such as the taxi driver, but no no, be went and committed those atrocities on those poor little girls.

Also the book they found and radicalism.

Sounds to me like he was radicalised and that fits in with the way them fuckers work. Like the Ariana concert. All the innocent predominantly kids and young adults having fun.

Evil beyond words and I don’t care about yeh whys and how’s….. Evil evil evil

Cardiff has quite a significant Rwandan community which doesn't exist at all in Lancs [less than 1% black british] which likely formed some kind of protection against intimidation and bullying in school

I think there’s too much confusion between ‘mentally ill’ and ‘criminally irresponsible’. You can have a mental illness but still be criminally responsible for you behaviour, still capable of understanding you actions and choosing not to kill someone. People who kill someone else during a psychotic break are obviously not responsible for their behaviour. He had planned this out, and had to ability to plan step by step what he was going to do. He wasn’t in the middle of a psychotic break and stabbed someone because he heard a voice or thought they were going to harm him.

He may well have a mental illness. I worked with young people experiencing their first episode of psychosis and many were as young as 11. Some of his past reported behaviours do suggest he may have had psychotic episodes in the past. Having ASD does also increase the risk for a psychotic episode so it may have been the case. But he had clearly been desensitised by the violence he was viewing online. There needs to be far more focus on internet access for children and the dangers of what they’re viewing online. I’ve known kids as young as 6 playing Fortnite and COD. It might not be real but it doesn’t mean it has no effect on their psychology.

He did it because he wanted to. Simple as that. He planned it, bought weapons, waited for them to be delivered, chose a target, booked a taxi. Not the actions of a mad man, all conscious choices.

I doubt he's a reliable narrator. He may well have wanted to hurt a child at school that day

I don't know why this just popped up on my YouTube recommendation. There's a weird Dr Phil story ( I know), where a teenage boy is explicitly, consistently telling his parents he wants to do some pretty awful things ( I won't spell out).

They got him into a MH facility but his mindset has not changed. He accepts he doesn't feel anything for potential victims he wants to find. The facility don't want him there anymore. No diagnosed MH condition. So where does the terrifying kid go? The parents have young kids. Foster carers? Who could take that on and he couldn't be with other kids.

This is a deeper problem and part the reason we're going round in circles. There is no suitable place.

His parents are absolutely culpable imo. Raising a child who is that violent, not knowing that your child is accessing the type of material he did, not knowing that he's buying and hoarding weapons, producing poison in his bedroom, the absolute state of his bedroom....At best, this is negligent parenting. At best.

Some parents definitely don't help a situation.

However I was reading Dylan klebold's mothers book. He went into a school and killed lots of students.

She said thar he was raised in a very normal home.

It was when he met erik harris that he got radicalised by Erik.

So sometimes it's the people that they meet along the way aswell

I wouldn't be overly bothered if a guy of his ilk who's quite clearly descending into further radical thoughts and actions is removed from society before a serious crime is committed.

There must be something else but like pp have said it's too high profile a case to try and find the root of his issues. He is an awful human being of that there is no doubt.
The article I read about his history gives so much more insight on how there was a rapid decline from aged 11 at school in conjunction when his bullying started. He carried knives to school 10 times before exclusion and it seems once he was excluded from mainstream it just got rapidly worse. What struck me most was the BBC article mentioned how his parents tried to get help / stop him/ involved police earlier, child teams were involved,schools involved so so many local agencies to get local help but he had no 'solid intervention' whatsoever, not one ,to try correct his issues/ behaviour ( not sure it would've worked). Just so many missed opportunities to get someone who was such a clear risk to others.

I'm also familiar with this story and this is another example that is in my mind when I think about all this.

I don’t see anything anyone can do with these boys except lock them up somewhere they can’t hurt anyone or drug them into a stupor so they can’t hurt anyone. I don’t think you can reason with them or understanding their journey will change anything. People with personality disorders don’t see they are doing anything wrong, it’s always someone else’s fault. Where’s the evidence he was bullied? It’s only from his own mouth. The thought and premeditation that went into this crime is astounding and I hope he never sees the light of day again and we don’t waste millions trying to understand his motivations.

I don’t see the point of paying for prevent, camhs, ss, police if they all sit around doing fuck all. I don’t see how there can be worse things they’re all stopping tbh.

I am positive he's psychotic. There's no remorse (not that it would matter). I think his parents should have had him sectioned. His dad begged the taxi driver not to take him to that school only a week before which reveals they were aware of how bad his mental state was. I want to know where the parents are in all of this. Have they been to court or disowned him? It does seem like they asked for a lot of help but he's a lost cause.
That is why I think that the death penalty should be brought back. Why should we pay to keep scum like this alive? He will bring nothing good to anything. I'm not sure that it would deter cunts like him but it would make me feel a lot better.

I also wanted the same for Sara Sharif's dad. I think they should be confined to isolation for years and then killed at the end of it.
I think that there have been such terrible cases towards women and children over the last few decades that we need something a lot more stringent. There was that poor baby Star the other year and that little boy who said that nobody loved him. Forgive me, I can't recall his name. There was also baby P, the Polish boy eating rubbish from bins at school, Victoria. Then there was the guy in Nottingham who got away with it in my eyes. There have been some unimaginable sick events and they seem to be getting worse.

These murderers get a celebrity status with a lot of notoriety (thinking of Myra Hindley). We should dispose of them and focus on celebrating the short lives of the ones killed. Look at how communities come together when things like this happen. There's a lot more goodness in this world and if everyone focused on peace and kindness to their fellow man, instead of the dog eat dog capitalism and division in society which creates a lot of poor mental health, we may see less of these incidents.

@twilightermummy no one would have sectioned him. I don't think they could have. Services would have known he was doing and saying concerning things. But that is not enough to section.

There are no wrap around services for this type of child / teen.

There are adults currently in prison on Public Protection Orders who aren't violent criminals.

You are stating you want to lock children up on the same basis when they have not already committed a crime.

I couldn’t put my finger on who he made me
think of in terms of demeanour and possible motivation, but yes, Brady. Posturing losers the both of them.

If we did have the death penalty back, Axel wouldn't be getting it because he was a minor when he committed his vile crimes. The death penalty for crimes committed by minors is forbidden by the United Nations.

The UK condemns the likes of Saudi Arabia and China for their use of the death penalty. If we reintroduce the death penalty, we would lose the moral right to that.

Yeah and they target children because children are weak.

Its to feel power over someone

That's a good point, esp if it coincided w being racially bullied. & then, he must have had a susceptible brain to violence to begin w, autistic tendency to obsess, & access to the Internet. I'm beginning to think we should ban the Internet for under 18s, or at least severely restrict it. His parents should have monitored his Internet use, but I suspect they did whatever they could.

@AliasGrace47 who is stating he was bullied?

The perpetrator, parents or other?

Yes, it’s like a perfect storm.

From reports when they denied him internet access, he became unmanageable to the point the police had to be called.