Killer claims to be ill

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According to the BBC Axel Rudakubana is shouting in court that he is ill.
AIBU to say I couldn’t give a shit!

Yeah he stopped him getting a taxi to his previous school didn’t he? So why not call police then

Wayne Cousins had numerous reports about his behaviour prior to him murdering Sarah Everard. He murdered her because he thought he could get away with it. He had got away with exposing himself to women and despite being reported, nothing happened.
Axel Rudakubana went to the trouble of deleting his browsing history. He thought he would get away with this crime. He knew what he was doing. There is no suggestion that he didn't have the capacity. He knows the difference between right and wrong. He is arrogant enough to think he will be allowed to blame others for his actions.

I hope he dies in prison or takes his own life
Piece of scum will be kept by taxpayers forever.

I gather that the judge has had him removed from the court.

He needed help and didn’t get it that was a missed opportunity and needs to be looked at but the priority now is making sure others are kept safe from him.

We don't lock people up until they've committed a crime, and he hadn't. It's very tricky when someone is clearly an unexploded bomb but there's no legal way to detain them.

I read about all the various interventions and it's clear his family had sought help numerous times, including repeatedly calling the police to the home. I feel sorry for his parents. They must have been desperately worried for years, dreading what he might do.

As a taxpayer I’d be very happy to keep him comfortably housed in prison for the rest of his life. I don’t see that as my taxes paying for a nice life for him I see it as my taxes contributing to keeping others safe from him.

Going back to this, they're not trying to get a secure prison. His defence team didn't get a psych report which would've opened the door for this, apparently.

He had actually, he'd committed several crimes.

I agree. I’m glad the judge told
him that he was in control of todays proceedings and not him!

The event was advertised. That's what was so heart-breaking, that the little girls had so looked forward to the day.

The boy is clearly mentally very unwell. Everyone has been let down here. Those of you saying his parents should have done something - do you really think they weren't terrified of him? That they hadn't had a life of sheer hell with him? That they hadn't reported him again and again. It's surprising he hadn't killed them - family are the usual targets.

In the aftermath of that case it emerged that a man who had fairly recently beaten a female security guard to death was already going on lone trips to shops and the gym during day release from a mental health facility. IIRC, he had a history of violence and arson attacks.

Well, it’s a total coincidence that I. S. I. S connected terrorists were targeting the Taylor Swift concerts in Germany ( they were cancelled by the German Authorities) during the same time frame. And that the Manchester attack was aimed at young girls attending a pop concert given by a singer who is not exactly draped in yards of extraneous fabric.

Because there is no way that people interested in that sort of action could contact and influence each other, is there?

While I don’t disagree with your sentiments, the problem is that you can’t lock people up “in case” something happens. How would you decide who gets locked up? If you tried, there would be a huge outcry about their human rights being contravened. All the mental health lobby groups would be up in arms because we used to lock people up “for being nutters” and a lot of people with mental health issues suffered as a result of that. As a consequence of more care in the community, (and I’m not saying care in the community is a bad idea) the odd dangerous person is left free to roam and cause harm unfortunately.

But nothing he could be jailed for.

That's a choice made by society though. Our society has chosen that the right to freedom can be curtailed in set circumstances. Some societies have chosen to curtail the right to food and proper shelter for people in some circumstances (Stalin-era political prisoners freezing to death in remote labour camps for instance). Some societies like the USA allow the death penalty in set circumstances.

As a society we can change our mind. People like this killer cannot be executed under our laws today. Under the laws of a few decades ago they could have been, and perhaps in a more enlightened future where the rights of the innocent are seen as more important than the rights of the criminal, executions of offenders will take place in Britain again.

Well let's see

Stopped him from fucking going out for one.

I can't read it. It's just too harrowing.

I'm in despair at the alarming, horrific, culturally twisted, warped, sick malady that is the regularlity of violence perpetrated against women and girls. Within the space of a day, another control freak who murdered a woman who had the temerity to end her relationship with him has also been sentenced. Three innocent little girls dead. Two sisters and their mother gone in an instant because yet another man cannot bear to hear the word 'no'. And this appalling case also illustrates why so many threads on MN caution women to be so careful when leaving men like this - why we recommend women's aid and getting out by stealth - the period just after leaving an abusive, dangerous man is such a dangerous time for women.

Women and girls are being killed with alarming regularity, in numbers which would raise a national outcry were this happening to any other demographic, and society doesn't give a fuck. And then people wonder why we constantly risk assess, or find it hard to trust men? I can't even put into words how despairing and filled with rage this makes me.

And before the NAMALTs turn up with their never-ending parrot cry, don't fucking bother.

Everything I read about this case just shouts more and more that the fact he was dangerous should have been picked up and acted on.

I’m really glad there’s an enquiry that’s looking into everything that went on, not just some things picked and chosen by those with an agenda one way or the other.

Claiming to be ill is absolutely a common game amongst crims. But equally doesn’t mean he isn’t also mentally ill. Doesn’t excuse him (I’m not saying he was so mentally ill as not to be able to form an intention- everything he’s done and said since suggests he probably is) but that’s got to be something that’s addressed in terms of preventing a repeat and dealing with him appropriately.

‘Care in the community’ now means dangerous lunatics are roaming the streets.

that being said he has no diagnosed mental health issues except autism? He is bad, not mad in my opinion

This is correct.

What the newsreader has been saying about the killer is awful. Saying that he'd said he's glad the little girls are dead. I'm not sure if we should be told this as the parents will hear it. She then said they've chosen to not say some of the more harrowing things. This annoys me as it is as if they want credit.

Interested in other peoples opinions.

Hopefully he dies and we deduct have to pay to keep him locked up then. I’m sure more people will be glad of his death.

That's debatable

https://www.apa.org/monitor/2021/04/ce-mental-illness

Is a good start. Yes men are more likely to be violent than women as a baseline due to other factors. But when it comes to mental illness causing violence, the impact is about equal on both sexes.