Killer claims to be ill

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According to the BBC Axel Rudakubana is shouting in court that he is ill.
AIBU to say I couldn’t give a shit!

Schools are notoriously reluctant to get the police involved with incidents on their grounds. However he was no longer a pupil and was using a weapon. The school were aware that he had been researching high school massacres. If the school didn't not report this to the police, it's a shocking failure.
I have a friend who was a police school liaison officer. He said he preferred getting involved early on rather than see young people get involved in more serious crime.

@WillimNot

Black children are four times more likely to be strip-searched by police officers across England and Wales than their white counterparts, according to the latest nationwide figures disclosed by a watchdog.
The children’s commissioner also found that children under the age of 15 are a bigger proportion of those subjected to intimate searches, official figures from the year to June 2023 showed

Black children make up 6% of all 10–17-year-olds, but in 2022/23, they accounted for 26% of children in custody – 4.4 times more than their population share. Black Caribbean children are particularly over-represented in arrests – they are 355% more likely to be arrested compared to their share of the population.

In 2022, children from the black ethnic group received longer custodial sentences, at 23.8 months on average, an increase of 3.6 months compared to 2018 (20.2 months).

I can keep going.

@BreatheAndFocus he had an early obsession with the Rwanda genocide I'm wondering how early his parents mentioned this..

I don't know what intervention could have helped him because he did get seen by a number of different schemes

I wonder what parent of broken wrist child did or was told to do.

@2025willbemytime the parents were at the sentencing. Tragically, they are aware of the details. News outlets are not reporting the details at the parents’ request - the media outlets didn’t have to agree but they did, mercifully.

Thank you for the clarity.

Yes but we know Police have a system that is overzealous as above to some and entirely ignorant of others. I don't doubt the MET are ridiculously nasty and profile young teens who have family who are Jamaican. The way the Windrush generation was treated is appalling and indicative of how some can do as they please and others are treated like scum for no reason.

It's a sad case of those who shout racism loudest.

And as we know there are certain groups who shout it when they've been caught ban to rights.

Why else was this fiend allowed to offend and threaten time and again.

Because he was seen as a skinny little weird quiet boy who wouldn’t do anything really serious

Not just how early, but how they talked about the Rwandan genocide @TaffetaRustle Even then, his reaction is abnormal. He seems to have got off on the violence in general.

Yes, a number of schemes saw him, but the actions taken (if any) are in question. There also seems to have been a lack of communication and joined up thinking.

@BreatheAndFocus

Twas ever thus. Every single case has a lack of joined up communicating.

@WillimNot honest truth? Because the system is broken and not really fit for purpose in cases like this. There's a gap in the law . I suspect there was a gap in communication between services. Juvenile violence, particularly in school is not really taken seriously for various reasons. Services are overstretched , underfunded and understaffed and balls get dropped. Even bomb sized balls like this.

I get where you're coming from, but at the point where his parents called the police and no action was taken , they can't really claim fear of being seen as racist.

There are tens of thousands of young men like this.
I am in NZ and a man, similar to this young man, but in his 20’s.. also called “lone wolf” who spent time on the internet, engaged with other right wing groups, carried out a massacre at a mosque and 51 people died. The massacre was live streamed on facebook.
The difference between the mosque attack and the uk was that 1 . He used guns ( which are more readily available in NZ) and 2. There was no [previous re[orts from police or anti-terrorist organisations.
The reality is that the internet has opened a world to angry young men with violent tendencies to indulge that totally and without balance.
It calls for a different response from police and government.
Mark Zuckerberg et al accept no responsibility.
In 10-20 years terrorism has changed. .. It sounds like Prevent / Police did not know this.. or want to know.

I think Prevent was originally set up to accept referrals regarding terrorism in the “traditional” sense we understood it. It’s probably not fit for purpose in terms of the threat faced by people like AK. I’ve read in this case he was referred to mental health/social services so Prevent thought some other agency is responsible for him now we can cross him off our list.

please no-one say “multi-agency” working!

Not sure if it's true but it just popped up that there's claims he's already been attacked by inmates..... let's hope!

You are wishing violence on another person? That's pretty crappy.

It's fake news, unfortunately. Soon though, I'm sure.

The thing is AR had mental health support and input from various agencies.

I think the thing that is really missing is cutting off internet access. Say a child has a generous 2 hours a week with a counsellor. How does that help if he's spending 20-30 hours (or more, perhaps through the night) online researching violent massacres? It's a very uneven fight. It sounds as if his parents tried to do this, but were unsuccessful (perhaps in part due to lack of support from the police).

It could be illegal for internet providers to provide internet to the homes where children who've violently assaulted others live. The parents can use data on their personal devices and use the internet at work / the library. Those children should also not be allowed phones with internet access.

Of course there would be push back because the 1% have made it virtually impossible to conduct your life without the internet and apps.

@WillimNot he may have had some sort of disability payment due to his autism and ehcp
Possibility in some circumstances.

I did wonder if the asd confused things where the police where concerned.

I fully understand all to well how underfunded all these agencies are but the thing is axel had an awful lot of input from agencies.
Non of them could help or catagorise him.

And where they all talking to each other? Did the school know he was being picked up with knives or the new agency.
Unfortunately time and time again it comes back to poor communication.

@MrsSchrute he is absolutely not just another person though - that cretin has proved he has no soul. I'm pretty sure most people feel the same. I'm hope jail is utterly miserable and terrifying for him. Those poor little girls and their poor families.

I really really hope that most people don't feel the same. I hope that we are better than that.
He is a normal person who committed an absolutely horrendous crime. But a person all the same.

The people who are judges and have experience of prisons say he will be separated. They also think he will end up in a prison like Broadmoor or Rampton. He won’t be playing tiddlywinks at recreation time.

This is actually more complex than it seems. My DP knows a health professional who was blamed for telling the parents to do that after one of their adolescent patients commited suicide.

As parents we need to control and then direct our kids internet use from when they are small children until they reach adulthood. But being aware that once they are 13+ if they have a poor moral compass they will side step what where we are trying to direct them.

It is indeed, appalling. No matter how low people fall they absolutely love being close to someone whom they consider to be lower. Attacking this boy makes them feel superior but they are not. They are thugs who enjoy violence.
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For the record, a 'cretin' is a person whose mental and physical development has been impaired by a deficiency of thyroid hormone in fetal or early life. Whoever said that should not be throwing words like that around without knowing their meaning.

Manslaughter charge is only relevant on the grounds of diminished repsonsibilty. For that he would have had to demonstrably lack the ability to understand the nature of his actions or to form a rational judgment, or for his ability to exercise self-control to be significantly impaired.

In other words he would have had to have been in an acute state of a mental disorder that his ability to understand and control what was doing was virtually absent. That would boil down to some kind of psychotic episode.

Not being psychotic at the time doesn’t mean he’s not mentally ill though. I think you can tell he is ill just from looking at him. He looks disturbed.