Killer claims to be ill

[Galatine]

According to the BBC Axel Rudakubana is shouting in court that he is ill.
AIBU to say I couldn’t give a shit!

He admitted he did it. He has said he’s glad those little girls are dead. I’d quite happily watch the murdering bastard swing

Autism isn’t a mental health issue.
I do wonder if he has been properly assessed for mental illness.

Me too

We don’t know he didn’t, do we? I thought they had called the police about him multiple times.

I completely share your anger, but I'm not sure that I believe in responding to violence with violence.

I also think there needs to be professional consequences for the social workers, parole board members, judges, police officers, Prevent workers, etc., whose poor judgement and decision-making keeps on leaving these criminals free to murder or destroy the lives of others.

He battered a pupil at his former school with a baseball bat. He used the excuse who thought the younger boy had said racist stuff about him. It was later fond the child he battered didn't even know who he was and had never spoken about him. He got the wrong child. It was said that he could've killed the child had others not intervened. That child and their family are now subject to racist and violent threats as morons are suggesting he is to blame for the behaviour of this thug. The child did nothing but attend the same school.

All that happened was he was excluded. He could've been locked up for that but wasn't.
And I can't help thinking that if a white pupil had of beaten him up then the outcome would've been different.

Opportunities were missed.

I agree with this. It doesn’t detract from the heinous crime he committed but he has been let down by the system too.
A thirteen year old who took a hockey stick to his old school to attack a pupil should have been flagged up as needing serious help. The problem is that there are probably thousands of similar young men so it is not so easy to identify which will go on to actually commit these sort of crimes. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but resources will need to be massively increased to reduce the chances of it happening again.
Just to repeat, I think it is possible to condemn him for his unspeakable crimes while still recognising that he should have been helped in the last four years.

My guess is that he hasn't provided a psych report for sentencing because they got one and it showed he wasn't mentally ill. That is total supposition, however.

Sadly I heard that as he was a minor he cant get a whole life term? He sure deserves one.

Is it terminal?

It makes me sick to my stomach. I had to stop reading with two little girls myself it makes me so scared for their safety. I hope he rots in prison never to see the light of day again. The fact he was known and we were repeatedly lied to about the motives. I can't even imagine the agonising pain the family's will be going through.

I agree, there was a systemic failure as he was referred to Prevent 3x as a child and teen.
I do wonder if Prevent didn’t take him seriously because his family are devout Christians.
Prevent are so used to stereotyping terrorist= Muslim that I do wonder if our own system to prevent terror attacks doesn’t have a blind spot.

But those professionals have to make such difficult judgements every day. It’s easy to see that this killer should have been identified now, but there are likely thousands of similar people out there. How can they judge which ones will turn out so bad?

Hopefully not he needs to suffer for a few more years.

It is just so harrowing. He meticulously planned these attacks and was 13 days away from being 18 and facing a harsher sentence. It virtually gave him a deadline by which to commit an atrocity. I’m not sure if anything can be done about this cliff edge in the law

The court should order an independent one.

It shouldn’t be a case of prosecution psychiatrist says he’s fine while defence psychiatrist says he is missing his marbles.

I wish people would stop using the mental health card🥲.This boy is evil and no amount of care in the community would have prevented his evil killing spree.Their is no medication or therapy for someone born evil.

You don't have to agree. It doesn't mean others wouldn't take great pleasure in seeing him suffer. In my opinion some people are just plain evil with no hope of rehabilitation and the world would be a better place without them in it.

Maybe violent episodes like he did at his school that resulted in him being excluded hould result in being put in secure facility? / secure special school. People hate the idea of locking people up in mental facilities but maybe we should have a zero tolerance policy for violent behaviour.

How do you physically stop a 17 year old from ever leaving the house? Even assuming you are strong enough, you have to hold down a job and eat and sleep yourself. You can’t legally chain up a 17 year old in your house 24/7. There will come a time when he jumps out of the window when your back is turned.

I have no idea what the parents knew and who they told, but given this kid had been known to the police, prevent and CAMHS for approximately ten years, it’s clear his family were asking repeatedly for help and not getting it.

Are people prepared to pay higher taxes to ramp up all the public services that are lacking at the moment?

It's a much easier life in a secure hospital than prison. The only thing more difficult, according to the patients, is the fact that you don't have an end date, like you do in jail. You could be there forever. However this piece of filth likely will be in prison forever, or at least a very long time, therefore that aspect probably doesn't make much of a difference.

Agree with this. There were a lot of people involved in this young man's life that knew he was a ticking time bomb. 3 referrals to Prevent! Seriously, I could understand if he had one referral and they deemed him not to be a risk but 3 bloody times. Plus the amount of times police were called out.

It's so sickening that those 3 poor girls didn't have to die if there was proper funding and staff in place to deal with such dangerous individuals.

But unless he's either saying he didn't have control because of a mental illness (a defence to murder) or his team is saying he should have a secure prison, then there's no requirement for one.