Killer claims to be ill

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According to the BBC Axel Rudakubana is shouting in court that he is ill.
AIBU to say I couldn’t give a shit!

This. Yes services are stretched but they also expend massive resources on things which are a waste of time, which are not actually crimes (non crime hate incidents for a start) which is part of the reason they are too stretched to prevent a completely predictable attack like this. The investigation into Allison Pearson is an example.

He was a ticking time bomb waiting to go off and if the police had bothered to do even the most cursory investigation of the multiple reports, they would have found the ricin and he could have been locked up and unable to kill those girls.

Just as if Wayne Couzen's had been properly investigated for the indecent exposure he committed the day before he killed Sarah Everard, then he wouldn't have been free to commit murder.

So how come the other son is thriving?

Trying to blame the father with no actual evidence is pretty distasteful.

Not true at all. Particularly when there’s mental health issues involved.

And PP who said they should have cut off his internet are bang on. I wonder, if he'd had no access to the internet from the point he first became violent (attacked another child at school) whether it would have come to this?

Stopping the internet in the home and not paying for a mobile for him would severely limit his ability to access the internet. He could go to a library where it's unlikely he'd be able to access the dark web and would be more monitored.

Stopping internet access for violent teens should be step 1. They can have computer games (non- violent) not linked to the internet. My younger child has a tablet with downloaded pre-approved content that is not linked to the internet. It's not rocket science.

As the bill payer, it's in every parents ability to do this.

And stopping internet for violent teens should be the law, and the parents culpable if they don't make every reasonable step to do so. Young men are being radicalised online, this is known.

Yes, if they have friends, they can probably get some access but they won't be able to just sit in their rooms on the dark web looking up how to create ricin for hours on end.

No actual evidence? In the public domain, you mean, surely?

Why aren’t the media asking questions about the father’s background? Do you think they’re not interested? Or that they have a problem with the public’s right to know? Clearly not, so who does and why?

Has there ever been a more contemptible government than this, deflecting blame onto Amazon? These people have no morals, no decency. They make me sick.

I don’t know if you were referencing me but I’m certainly not offended. I believe questions have already been asked. It took me seconds to find articles stating:

• his dad used to work in the army of his native country and fought against genocide

• his son, the killer, was obsessed with violence like genocides

I am therefore assuming it was a household where the parents were sceptical of government figures and made their children aware of the brutality they faced. Son probably bought into it to the point of extremism. Then at that point the parents didn’t know how to rein him in or didn’t want to face up to him being violent. They likely were untrusting of government officials too. Plus likely had their own issues going on, like trauma from war. Essentially it doesn’t sound like a healthy environment and the parents weren’t fit.

I suspect the Amazon employment / payment model is incompatible with robust checks on items purchased. I think drivers have an allotted time to do things, so they simply don't have time (and may face penalties?) if they take too long checking someone's ID.

I also think that it's ridiculous if the onus of checking who's buying this stuff falls on minimum wage workers. Amazon just shouldn't be able to sell machetes and crossbows online. They should only be available in shops where ID can be checked.

Slightly less convenient for everyone, slightly less profit for Bezos, but that's far more reasonable than expecting Amazon delivery drivers to check ID. What are they supposed to do if they don't think the ID is legit? Ridiculous.

There is going to be a full public inquiry into how the system failed. How is that contemptible?

Why aren’t the media asking questions about the father’s background? Do you think they’re not interested? Or that they have a problem with the public’s right to know? Clearly not, so who does and why?

You are placing blame on the father on he basis that you think there is evidence against him that is being hidden by some unknown entity?

You also didn't address the fact that the other son is doing well. Or was. God knows what the outcome for him will be now.

I wish our goverment would do what Australia are doing by banning social media for under 16's.

The kind of stuff he was watching - torture, rape, murder is not run of the mill social media, more dark web. I don’t know how you would stop people accessing that.

If he'd had no internet in the home, it would have severely limited his access. He spent most of his time in his room, didn't like going out. It wouldn't have stopped it but it would have severely limited it.

Parents don't have to pay for phones for their children either.

@Mirabai Scary these kids know how to access the dark web.. I wouldn't know where to start !!

I think the poster might be referencing me as well. And I’m not offended, I freely admit that we’re not coping at all. That’s why we’ve been begging for help since May when DD2 stopped going to school. And it’s why Social Care are involved now.

There is always an underlying cause, I think. In my DDs’ case, it’s the fact that they’re adopted.

I think you might well have hit the nail on the head where AR is concerned. He became obsessed with genocide because of his family history in Rwanda and his parents probably stuck their heads in the sand and refused to access help. (Although we don’t know that they didn’t try.)

Did you read about what happened when his father denied him access to a computer?

He attacked his father
He flooded the house
He fused all the electrics

It was one of the times the family called the police as they couldn't manage his behaviour

Can you imagine anyone living like that 24/7 - 365 days a year?

That’s shocking, do you have a link to this information? I haven’t seen it yet.

It was in one of the Guardian articles either yesterday or the day before about his/the family's contact with the police

@ProfessionalPirate not ridiculous at all. There's an active campaign on twitter (and at least one poster here) that is directly accusing the father for the actions of the son, plus other "facts" like he's a murderer himself and took part in the genocide in Rwanda and many other things. The nicest comments only ask for deportation, but it doesn't stop there. Their anger has found a new target.

On May 14, 2022, Rudakubana’s father called the police reporting that his son’s behaviour had “escalated” after being denied access to a computer and officers attended. His parents were asking for assistance to help cope with him, and the officers made a Vulnerable Child Referral to the Mash.

^https://www.northwichguardian.co.uk/news/national/24880497.police-prevent-scrutiny-details-emerge-southport-killer/^

The parents were not sticking their heads in the sand as a pp suggested. They asked for help and were let down.

They cut off his internet and would have either had to face his violence and/or know he would go outside to be violent.

There are threads on here where the OP has cut off their teen's internet and/or confiscated their mobile phone. That's resulted in the teen attacking someone in the household, destroying the house and/or disappearing for days on end.

Thanks for sharing. Shocking he had been carrying knives in public and to school since he was 13 (if not younger).

It's also widely reported that the dad stopped him taking a taxi from their house to his old school that he was kicked out off five years before.

So on the day of his crime he took a taxi away from his home.

I’m not on twitter. But I was replying to the pp who asserted that posters ‘on here’ wanted AR’s parents to be lynched.

The only thing I’ve read on here is people wanting the parents to be held responsible for any negligence on their part that may have contributed to AR’s actions.

Which poster is it on here that has been calling for their murder? Can you copy and paste the relevant post?

Absolutely not ridiculous. Brain dead people as usual with the wrong information all over the internet coming to bizarre conclusions and feeding the next one like Chinese whispers. Edit ( I'm talking about other sources - news channels, YouTubers comments).

You absolutely can have very violent individuals who were not made violent by their parents.

The mob are themselves terrifying sometimes.

When information comes out we can judge the parents then. We don't know enough yet other than knowing the Police were called by the parents.

I understand the family have been moved and hidden for their own protection.