Killer claims to be ill

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According to the BBC Axel Rudakubana is shouting in court that he is ill.
AIBU to say I couldn’t give a shit!

@ProfessionalPirate there are multiple posts online, YouTube comments associated with news reports for example that are quite scary and without correct information. Definitely after blood.

But people are the product of how their parents have raised them. It doesn't have to be the case that the parents made him violent; they may just have been negligent or indulgent or they may have failed to act on information that could have prevented his crimes (e.g. his extensive weapon ownership).

Nope personality is not as simple as that.

How their parents raise them is a factor, but it is far from the only factor.

So should we hold parents responsible for the actions of every mass murderer?

There will i imagine be people trying to get them and will be completely devoid of the facts. I find that really scary. When I watch how people all infect other people online with inaccurate information such as saying his dad was a genocidal killer. ( Quite alot of that )

I just saw Al Quada manual and went straight to an assumption myself in the beginning. Luckily I am somewhat intelligent 🤷‍♀️🤣. Well a little bit. And I can take in all the other posts and information.

@EsmaCannonball way too simplistic. When you listen to the parents of killers, especially in similar situations like this, you see that they would often meet the standard of good enough parent at the very least.

As I said, I was replying to the poster who was specifically referring to this thread, presumably in an attempt to shut down an otherwise reasonable discussion.

It doesn’t surprise me to hear about the you tube comments etc, there are a lot of nut jobs out there. It’s one of the reasons I try to avoid reading that kind of shite - face book, you tube etc. load of keyboard warriors writing anything they feel like just to get a reaction.

Clearly AR’s parents should not be subjected to violence or intimidation because of what their son has done. That doesn’t we shouldn’t investigate their role in this, in the same way that we should investigate the authorities and organisations involved in AR’s life.

That was me. But I only agreed that they might have been burying their heads in the sand. I said they might also have asked for help. I didn’t know either way.

It actually sounds now as if they really did try to get help for him. Their life must have been a living hell.

Well obviously society and culture are factors too, but parenting is a massive part of how everybody, good and bad, turns out. The police stated yesterday that they will not be commenting on Rudakubana's family because of ongoing investigations.

Clearly for some people [not @EsmaCannonball ] parents are indeed responsible to their childrens crimes if the parents are

• immigrants
• 'muslim'
• black or brown skinned

immigrants from NZ or Australia wouldn't be a problem

Very often, yes.

I've seen that on twitter being attributed to a Sky interview - do you have a link for that please?

Can you link?

Because those "investigations" are very likely to be about the police and other services contact with the family and subsequent failings. There is no criminal investigation into his family underway, is there?

The insinuations you are making are very unpleasant.

So why haven't Lucy Letby's parents been hounded and slandered on social media?

I can't remember where I saw it yesterday, either Sky News or BBC News, but a reporter was interviewing one of the police officers involved who said they couldn't talk about the family for that reason. As Amazon are claiming that someone visibly over 25 took delivery of the knives, it could be related to that.

I don't think the parents of any murderer should be hounded on social media. I'm just pointing out that parenting is a massive part in how everyone turns out and when you look into the background of criminals it is almost always a factor in their criminality.

This is it. The police have said te Southport case is still a live investigation. No suggestion that the parents themselves are being investigated, but malicious minds might interpret it that way.

Following a clip showing Rudakubana's father trying to stop his son from entering a taxi which was going to head towards a high school the week before, the officer was asked what the input from the killer's immediate family had been in the investigation.

"We still have a live investigation ongoing. So I'm unable to answer any questions in relation to the parents at this stage," Det Chf Insp Pye said.

When pressed on what that meant, the officer added: "We have a live investigation ongoing, and that is something that we are still looking into."

https://news.sky.com/story/police-investigation-into-southport-attack-continues-as-officer-reveals-murderer-was-overheard-making-disturbing-remarks-13294872

Thank you for finding that @PandoraSox it's a bit ambiguous but doesn't suggest to me that they are investigating any wrongdoing by the parents but that the investigation is ongoing and the parents are co-operating with the police in that

I agree @Efacsen.

We will soon know about it if anyone in the family is charged with anything, but I don't think that is what is afoot.

Even it's a genetic cause for instance?

The influence of childrens behaviour and development obviously changes throughout childhood - being at it's greatest in early childhood - adolescents on the other hand are more influenced by their peers and environment esp their school

As far as we know this young man's difficulties started at around 11 yrs - transition to secondary school which is typically a particularly challenging time for children with ASD - not in early childhood

The police will want to dot all the i's and cross all the t's with the inquest and enquiry on the horizon - and are surely feeling under some degree of pressure atm

I do think trauma is passed down through the family if it is not dealt with . My Nan suffered mentally when her family emigrated from Switzerland and she was the only child of five left with the grandmother. I believe this affected my Dad as he sufffered a nervous breakdown and I went on to have one too. ( root cause not feeling good enough?) Not making excuses for this killer at all most people who are mentally ill turn it on themselves not other people. If this child was bullied this obviously affected him too. Talking about a knife being purchased on Amazon is really the tip of the iceberg. He was as people have described a ticking time bomb. We need to understand to prevent it happening again. If it means locking more people up with these issues so be it before they can cause such devastation.

Great question.

That’s interesting - do you know why it isn’t diagnosed before 18? I never knew that.