Blake lively

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Has anyone seen the video footage that totally proves Blake Lively was lying about her accusations of Justin Baldoni. Total Amber Heard vibes from this and it's scary to think how many cases that can't be proved have destroyed men's lives.

You're being played OP.

She does look uncomfortable, that's obvious to me. Social media is dangerous, out of nowhere, people are really hating her. She was quite popular before. Other celebrities have been far bitchier and said worse things, but there's no pitch forkers hounding them down.

Pretty sure it’s the OP trying to play us. More of JB’s smear campaign and it’s far from subtle.

I believe Blake.

I'm also getting Amber Heard vibes but not in the same way as you.

Is that you, Baldoni?

The whole thing is cringeworthy. The appetite for litigation, the press strategies, the fact it's being played out in a civil court...

If a crime had been committed it should have been reported and left there for the authorities to investigate and prosecute - not this utter tit for tat media BS, which is now likely to be commonplace with the UK filling up with wealthy citizens of the US.

The whole thing is pathetic. If you get in the ring with someone's ego then it's going to get ugly.

In the Uk not with...

Just watched that video and you'd have to be dead to not notice the difference between them in their manner - she is pulling back and away and vocally communicating her lack of agreement with him. He belittles her twice about how she is with her husband. He is improvising moves and you can see she is actively uncomfortable and in no way mirroring him. His intimate touching her would be very uncomfortable for someone who hasn't been told or agreed any of that prior to the set up and who is having a mid shoot disagreement on kissing.

It's vile, he's vile. He should have been INFINITELY MORE careful and boundaried as director and actor. Not used it as an excuse to just do what he liked. this is a classic example of uneven power balance in production and even after she said nothing but he blew it up and now she feels like she has to use her voice. I completely get it. The problem is no one is going to come out of it well realistically the way things are going and it's going to be mucky and horrible.

She'd have been better off to report any crime and then stay silent.

yes it does give amber heard vibes to me too - attractive unlikeable
woman are discredited and gaslit into being told they were never abused. Because we feel
that victims should all act like victims
amber heard was abused there is evidence of that - Jonny is a likeable guy and she is not. That was the real issue

I think the audio shows that Blake was very uncomfortable in that situation - the video only covers that time frame

The whole
reaction to Blake and amber is why women cannot come
forward because society and legal teams will
pull them and everything they have done apart. Other women will hate them men will hate them. It grows and grows on social media too now it makes me to so angry

Except that was not the context of that quote, it was ‘you should agree with me because I have powerful friends’ - not a red flag about someone at all eh?

Anyway like I say he is a sleazeball, I don’t disbelieve BL, I just think she is a dick and that made it easy to discredit her.

Over the last few years, whenever I have seen a sudden public pile on of public figures, it’s always made me question “hmmm-who’s decided we all have to hate this person, now, then?”

I know less than nothing about this case (thought the book was lame, wasn’t ever going to see the film for that reason) but at the time all those headlines started to pop up about BL, I remember thinking “oh, here’s the next woman someone has decided to pull down. She’s quite vanilla. Why is everyone picking on her, suddenly?” The nastiness didn’t really seem to fit the crime of wearing florals (character was a florist, no?) I can’t say I lost sleep about it, but I noticed. And unless they’re left wing or have gone up against the press, the press’ latest kill is always a female isn’t it?
so, on that basis alone, I believe her. Because all the tabloids didn’t overnight decide independently to go for her - it was a hit. Why?

I did see a headline somewhere a few days ago that was playing the “JB as DV champion - BL has gone and ruined it” card which just made me snort for that poor man doing his single handed best for the women’s issues only for the lead woman to mess it all up. Right.
Am ambivalent about BL/ RR brand. They could be amazing. Could be monsters. Doesn’t make this not have happened.

JB - never heard of him til now, but on the balance of probabilities/ my own life experience/ a misogynist press at war with her and paid trolls crawling all over the internet to slam her rather than just leave it to a court of law… And finally. On a packed set - why would she make it all up? I believe her.

As for JD. I loved him. I disliked AH intensely. But there was a mountain of evidence that she was abused. Just because previous partners weren’t abused, doesn’t mean AH wasn’t. I believed her. Just because she’s an unsympathetic, very flawed witness doesn’t make her not a victim.

Why would an aware, DV Champion hire a PR firm who ran a huge campaign for a DV abuser?????
nope.

yet again, this has become a feeding frenzy with two teams set against each other. What nobody is really talking about - especially at this time - is this terrifying press/ internet machine that can just turn on a person. It starts with headlines and then - more terrifyingly - the paid posters and configured AI bots online that are fed key words and phrases to change opinion online. You see it all the time - the same key phrases over and over again. And before you know it, that’s the phrase and then the story that sticks. Frankly, you don’t even know any more if posters’ opinions are real or paid posters or actual AI bots. I find the implications of that is the real story here (and the power it gives people with an agenda/ story to push.)

The fact that most of the cast is supporting BL is very telling, to me. They were there. They watched it all unfold and saw the nitty-gritty of it all. There is the "he said-she said" and then there are the people who watched it on a daily basis. I am inclined to listen to them, believe them and wonder why, if it is "so bad" for BL, why they are standing with her.

A PP mentioned that the whole Internet is on JB's side. That is not true on the sites I have visited.

Yep this.

Can we all agree to stop falling for it and hating women now?

Dearie me.

You've read an article on the Daily Mail and are quoting it as fact.

I believe her.

Unfortunately it is never going to happen. It's all too easy to get the world to hate women it seems.

Why are you so keen to side with men and portray women as liars who wreck men's lives?

After reading the NYT article, the fact that so many cast members stand with her, JB's and Heath's reported behavior while they claim to be some religious "feminists" Behind the Facade: Cult-like Tendencies in the Baha'i Faith : r/exbahai plus the fact that Sony picked her cut over JBs and Heath's, more firmly plants me on BL's side. I don't have to be a fan of hers to do so. I just feel she has been wronged here. Someone saw those "men" walk into her dressing room, saw Heath watch her as she stood half nude getting body paint wiped off as he leered, and also heard/saw their comments about non-consensual sex acts. Not even the book's author, or many cast members would promote the film with JB/Heath. They use their religion to say, "We are for women." Yeah, heard that before from other cults.

Anyone that fell for that Johnny Depp bullshit is not a reliable source of information.

I’m constantly amazed at how many people fell for the Johnny Depp is the Victim narrative.

Oh and BTW addicts like Depp are very often incontinent and almost always forget and or/deny doing terrible things. It could not be more obvious that it was him who shot the bed and like addicts do blamed someone else. And the dipshits of the world went “We love you Johnny you were great as Jack Sparrow! We know it was that awful woman!”

Im gonna listen to the Amber Heard podcast

I am certainly seeing an Amber Heard likeness in this case

to the way they have both been dismissed because they are not perfect victims and up against the powerful film industry which is happy to ignore women’s suffering for money

And if you can't discredit a woman by saying she's drunk or mentally ill or lying because the man rejected her or gave consent (at age 11), and nobody is going to believe she's in it for the money or for attention, then you can always fall back on the classic "well she's a bitch" or indeed "she is a dick". As you say, it is always easy to find a reason why a woman is a dick if you want to, so if you recognise that people are looking for a reason not to give a shit, telling them the woman is a dick is a good strategy.

I watched the entire Depp/Heard trial and have done plenty of reading through the evidence available. I'm honestly amazed that anyone thinks that AH is an innocent victim. JD didn't cover himself in glory either - they were awful together - but she was a very long way from being the injured party.

I didn't have an opinion on either JD or AH prior to the trial; if anything I would have been more naturally inclined to sympathise with the woman. But I was honestly and genuinely appalled at AH's behaviour. Probably more so than JD because he was fairly open about his difficulties whereas she repeatedly lied (objectively proven) and tried to depict herself as being completely innocent which was patently never the case.

FWIW the trial in the UK was whether the media had libelled him based on the evidence they had presented to them at the time. Bearing in mind the evidence was self-reported claims from AH which were later debunked, the verdict was hardly surprising. The trial in the UK was NOT about whether JD abused AH - it was whether the paper had reported facts, as they were presented to them at the time.

Women like AH cause problems for other women who have been genuinely abused. We have such an uphill battle to be taken seriously with vile cretins like Andrew Tate gaining in popularity, the last thing we need is women like AH the credibility of female victims.

I don't know enough about what's going on with Blake Lively and JB. I agree that being difficult at times historically hasn't helped her and makes any smear more likely to stick. It seems as if she has misremembered exactly what was said on the whole "you smell good" incident which won't help her either. I believe that JB's side are saying that Blake's side have doctored the texts which seems a bit far-fetched but in the current digital climate, who knows?!

I prefer to stick to the facts rather than slavish and baseless support so I'll do some proper reading on this when I get the chance and see what the evidence shows.

However, handsy, controlling men do seem to have a habit of getting into positions of power in Hollywood so it wouldn't come as a surprise to find another name to add to the pile - but let's see.

Regardless of what turns out to be true, neither BL nor JB is coming out of this particularly well.

You said "it's scary to think how many cases that can't be proved have destroyed men's lives.".... there are far far more women's lives who have been destroyed by men who do things across the spectrum from talking over women, taking opportunities to touch them, saying things that seem innocuous all the way to killing them in 'consensual sex games' that go wrong.

I believe her.

Women who do expose violent relationships and the very tiny number of women who falsely accuse men, receive much more press coverage and harsher sentences than men who sexually harass and rape.

Is it ok to sexually harass “‘mean girls”
then?

whether you like her personally, whether you think she’s arrogant/insensitive/tone deaf whatever…none of that makes it ok for a man to kiss and touch her intimately without her consent.

And if you do have a negative impression of her personally, given that you sure as hell don’t actually know her, maybe consider why and where you’ve got that negative impression from. Particularly in circumstances where there is evidence - actual proof - of JB paying a PR firm to “bury her”.