Blake lively

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Has anyone seen the video footage that totally proves Blake Lively was lying about her accusations of Justin Baldoni. Total Amber Heard vibes from this and it's scary to think how many cases that can't be proved have destroyed men's lives.

Omg yes so scary! And nope, i was a huge gossip girl fan and used to consume a lot of inane interviews and press junkets at the time- it hasn't recently been brought to my consciousness. And yes, unless we know them personally the public image of every famous person is spun and curated- her team is also doing the same to him. I don't understand why people can't comprehend some people just aren't a fan, really weird.

Actually disagree about the power imbalance, we know RR was on set plenty and she was aware of her influence and standing given several of her texts about it.

I’ll wait until it all comes out in the wash before “choosing a side”.

I don't understand why people can't comprehend some people just aren't a fan, really weird.

Who ain’t comprehending that others aren’t fans?

Some of us can’t comprehend why it’s relevant when a woman is a victim if she’s nice or not? It’s SUCH a damaging view point and completely regressive. The world has realised that there’s no one ideal perpetrator but sadly this hasn’t been extended to victims

Re the concessions made to Blake Lively, you don’t detail the concessions you are referring to so I can’t be completely sure that we’re talking about the same things, however, Blake Lively did threaten to leave the project on a couple of occasions, Justin says he didn’t want to lose her plus he seems to have been overruled a couple of times. I can certainly see why losing your leading lady would be catastrophic. In the main, I think it could be interpreted as something you do for the greater good or sacrificing a battle in order to win the war.

Ok - so just to be clear - you think it is more likely that JB admitted to a long list of egregious behaviours that he hadn’t done, just to keep the peace, than that he actually had done them and therefore had to admit it?

If you are right, he could have just signed up to a list that said (and I’m paraphrasing) “no sexually harassing BL”, but what he in fact did was agree to “no more sexually harassing BL”. I’m a lawyer. JB was legally advised. There is no way in hell he would have accepted liability for things he hadn’t done. The list in question is easily available if you Google.

Plenty of people are pointing out that people just dislike her because of his smear campaign. I have pointed out several times in my earlier posts it doesn't have a bearing on her as a victim.

Right. So again, you’re basing your deep knowledge of her character on “inane interviews and press junkets” from 20 years ago.

And you’ve decided this is totally relevant to her accusations of sexual harassment, so much so you’ve posted about it repeatedly on this thread.

Yes exactly. Whats what happened 20 years ago got anything to do with anything?!

It’s so depressing to see women shitting on other women like this. It may seem harmless because it’s just celebrities but this cultural mindset is EXACTLY why ordinary women struggle to be believed and why so few sex offenders are in prison. Because some dickhead always goes “Oh she’s not very nice and she’s quite playful and flirty” implying she can’t be a victim

I've been interested in this case because JB is fighting back hard and i think its making Blake and Ryan look terrible PR wise. Usually id expect this sort of power couple to trample all over everyone but JB is coming back with a lot of evidence. I dont think Blake is as lovely as people think. She was the long term partner for years of Harvey Weinstein plus many rumours of affairs including with Ben Affleck in the Town. I also believe RR isnt as lovely as he makes out - known for being very serious/controlling.

I wonder if this situation (along with everything really) is perceived so differently because it depends on the lens that you’re looking through…..

If you have the opinion that ALL men are out to take advantage of women for example you’ll see that in every context. Similarly, if you have a hard time getting along with other women or if you’ve seen first hand one in your life taking advantage of men. Or maybe you just feel you have particularly fantastic men around you and just cannot fathom them ever mistreating a woman you’ll see things through that lens.

I’m trying to stay objective and listen to it all, trouble is both parties have their own interpretation of the same interaction. I think that the interview Blake did where she was unkind to the presenter was awful and something she should take responsibility for imo. Just say sorry, we all f up sometimes, she can’t possibly blame JB for that 😂. I suppose at the very most she could say people wouldn’t have known about it if it wasn’t for him haha.

www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/it-ends-with-us-video-intimacy-coordinator-1236116142/

This is a helpful take, from an intimacy coordinator, who points out that the script only included slow dancing and that any kissing should have been discussed and cleared in advance. But it wasn’t.

He looks like he is trying to kiss Blake just because he can, in a situation where it is difficult for her to stop him. Good on her for blocking him in the most graceful way she could in that situation.

It's what was said earlier in the thread

@Feelabandoned Are you really a lawyer? A lawyer who ignores the evidence I listed above (at 07:09) or, to use lawyer speak, gives no weight to it!

Anyway, what follows probably proves I've lost my last remaining marbles but I've actually spent time googling the agreement you refer to. (It would have been helpful if you had simply provided a link to it.) I've found Blake Lively's Complaint against Wayfarer Studios LLC and various organisations.

Paragraph 3 refers to a meeting on 4 January and states "During the January 4 meeting, the parties discussed in detail the inappropriate conduct that Ms. Lively, her employees and other cast and crew experienced at the hands of Mr. Baldoni and Mr. Heath. After the list below was reviewed and discussed in its entirety, all parties present agreed that the outlined conduct would cease..." A list of 30 behaviours then follows.

In mid-November 25 2023, the parties had agreed in writing to implement a list of protections enumerated in a contract entitled "Protections for Return to Production,” attached as Exhibit A, which included seventeen provisions designed to require Wayfarer to cease the on-set behavior of Mr. Baldoni and Mr. Heath.

After receiving the document, Wayfarer responded that "Wayfarer, Sony and Production respectfully acknowledge that [Ms. Lively] has concerns regarding safety, professionalism and workplace culture. Although our perspective differs in many aspects, ensuring a safe environment for all is paramount, irrespective of differing viewpoints. Regarding your outlined requests, we find most of them not only reasonable but also essential for the benefit ofall parties involved."

Exhibit A (Protections for Return to Production) isn't signed by anybody, let alone Justin Baldoni.

You'll also note that Wayfarer response stresses that "our perspective differs in many aspects..." It's hardly a ringing endorsement of Blake Lively's allegations. In fact it rather reminds me of our late Queen's "recollections may vary..."

Justin Baldoni says that he strongly denied the allegations in the 17 point email which was subsequently sent and tried to amend the document to reflect what actually happened on set. However, Blake Lively's lawyer said "The list we provided was not intended as a starting point for a negotiation. Rather, it is a set of protections that needs to be in place in order for our client to return to work. please let us know as soom as possible whether Wayfarer will will agree to accept all of the protections included in our original communication." The film cost $25m to make, made $351m at the box office and had already been delayed because of the strikes - I would also have told Justin Baldoni to "Suck it up" for the good of the film.

You seem to feel I have both feet firmly in the Justin Baldoni camp, for the record, I've only got one foot in his camp. I'm only interested in the hard evidence that either side can produce and I'm looking forward to Blake Lively's response.

Yes, @GloriousGoosebumps I am a lawyer. I specialise in complex commercial disputes, so not strictly this area (and not in that jurisdiction).

As you quote, the parties agreed that the listed conduct “would cease”. That means that JB acknowledged it had occurred.

On your “recollections may vary” point, it’s important to note that for the purposes of sexual harassment offences (in the U.K., but I’d be surprised if the US was any different), what is relevant is how the actions are experienced by the victim, not how they were intended by the perpetrator.

In other words, touching someone’s arse can still be sexual harassment if they believed you had done it for your own gratification even if you say and indeed believed you were just removing some fluff. So JB can say whatever he wants now about how it was all totally innocent but that’s beside the point. As it was beside the point when he agreed to the protections going forward at the time.

No lawyer would ever advise their client to “suck something up” if they hadn’t done it, btw.

@Feelabandoned No lawyer would advise a client to enter a guilty plea to criminal proceedings if he were innocent, however, in business proceedings you might well take a pragmatic view and not rock the boat. As far as the proceedings for sexual harassment go, Justin Baldoni hasn't admitted sexual harassment whether orally or in writing neither has Wayfarer et al. Justin Baldoni strenously denies any such claim and it it has NEVER been the case that once a woman alledges she has been sexually harassed that it's game over and the Court simply proceeds to deciding damages / sentence. It is extraordinarily misleading for you to suggest as much.

Honestly I find every post that says something along the lines of ‘I’m not a fan / she’s a crap actress / bit nasty’ really quite unnecessary.

The woman is one of the most powerful in Hollywood, married to RR, 4 kids and has more money than god … she doesn’t need to arse about making allegations about someone just for the fun of it.

Is she not using her power and influence to make a stand against shit of behaviour? Isn’t she actually doing us all a bloody favour by saying ENOUGH.

This whole thing is damaging for her - surely many directors will be nervous about working with her - but she has put herself in the firing line because she CAN whilst most of us CAN’T.

She’s absolutely entitled to tell dickheads to just fuck off and demand better standards. Thank you, Blake Lively, for being such an Alpha.

The worse thing is that there are women in Hollywood who are genuinely being sexually harassed and each time a woman lies about the way she has been treated it makes it that much harder for a woman who has been sexually harassed to be believed.

I love when people write things like this. Because I can safely ignore everything else they say. Women lying is neither common, nor is it the reason other women aren't believed. Women aren't believed because it suits men to carry on abusing women. They USE the very few women who lie, or exaggerate, or misconstrue or are mentally ill to justify doing nothing to change the environment but the WORST thing is male violence and harassment.

I genuinely think some of this environment is caused by the fact that women are socialised that they should like a man to find him attractive and want to sleep with him. Men are socialised that they can despise and hate a woman and still want to fuck her. Which explains how they can pillory an attractive woman and women seem unable to do the same with the Depps and Pitts of the world. They are invested in Depp not being a predator and men simply don't care if Heard is awful because their attraction is almost enhanced by hating her. As evidenced by Depp's text message about fucking Heard's dead body. Poor misunderstood baby.

Or paid. 😉

@GloriousGoosebumps I haven’t suggested that a woman can allege sexual harassment and it’s game over.

In this case, JB agreed not to repeat certain behaviours that he admitted to. That is a fact.

You think it’s more likely that he accepted liability at the time when actually innocent, than that he was guilty and is lying now that it’s all come out.

I mean, one of those is more plausible than the other but you are perfectly entitled to your opinion.

FYI though nobody in “business proceedings” admits what amounts to potentially criminal behaviour just to “not rock the boat”. You realise that those statements would be evidence in subsequent criminal proceedings, right?

@Glitchymn1

Yes, she has a mouth, she’s done it before. It’s on tape. She’s surrounded by people. Would it have been that difficult.

Have you not watched the tape?

She does repeatedly say she doesn't want to go ahead with a kiss.

A number of times. She also wriggles away from a kiss by doing a twirl while holding onto his hand.

Do you really watch that tape and not think she looks incredibly uncomfortable and gives both verbal and physical cues that she is not open to a kiss?

It’s acting, it’s a scene. @whathaveiforgotten
Was she not expected to kiss him at all or only in that scene?
To be honest having watched it and I’ve only seen it once, I would have thought she disagrees with the scene itself- the storyline more than the kiss?
Out of curiosity as I’ve not seen the film only parts, how did the scene pan out eventually? Was there a kiss or no?

I’ve got nothing against the woman, I’ve never heard of JB. I actually liked RR but you only see what they want you to.
I liked the (wolverine actor) too. Though I see he’s likely cheated on his wife. Nothing is what it seems. We don’t know them.
It will be interesting to see how it pans out.

(Someone posted to say BL was the partner of Harvey Weinstein?! Surely that’s not true.)

I can recall Salma Hayek’s description of being directed by HW and the scenes she was forced into. If JL was forcing himself on BL I hope he gets the book thrown at him like Weinstein did.

you don't seem to understand the basic thing. She consented to the script as written , she didn't to any improvised acts beyond that, those are sh . And even professionals in the business are telling you that it is gross misconduct and sh .. as a director jand actor in the film he should've been more careful about acting properly instead of using his position to try and do what he wanted with an actress

Have people seen the script / heard from the intimacy coordinator? I’m waiting to hear everything like that. I don’t think that’s out yet and probably won’t be unless there’s leaks!

If I’m just giving my personal view on the 10 minute video, I don’t have an issue with it for either side.

The scene is just meant to be a slow dancing scene albeit one showing how they fell in love. It doesn’t stare kissing but they’re meant to show chemistry.

Blake is playing a woman who falls madly in love and marries a man and there trying to show how that can happen even if with red flags. Trying to make the audience get it.

I can’t see Baldoni slide his lips from cheek to neck but even if he did, I would have thought that they are in character and that it’s to create some sexual chemistry on screen. He has commented on her scent but in context of her apologising for her tan so he might be to her feel less insecure as they both clearly seem to be at times.

It seems a lot of baloney… I mean they’re discussing their partners, Blake insists Ryan and her are amazing not just cute and tells Baldoni more talking - doesn’t seem like she’s lacking a voice.

I think it would be very hard to talk to someone for hours a day and create chemistry and be convincing, act, do your job and not veer into natural chat that flows.

I also think that their chemistry is really good and Baldoni does seem really into it. He cast Blake, obviously he’ll choose someone he’s attracted to and I think he’s fan boying in the scene and clearly enjoying her star power, beauty and fame.

I think these two are fools - this is so destructive when they have made a great movie etc.

If I had to guess - these two just clash. It’s two huge egos, and a power struggle - Blake Lively is 50 times more famous & married to someone 10000,0000 times more famous. Baldoni is the actual boss and thinks he’s going to pull rank. I think that’s what this clash is about.

The smartest thing they could both do is release statements & say that the PR wasn’t clear or fair on Blake but this wasn’t the intention. Baldoni should say he’s committed to safe work environment and improving and he’s sorry for any discomfort cause but insists this wasn’t the intention. Blake should just say nothing and write a cheque to a women’s shelter and apologise for the bad PR but explain it was a misunderstanding,

The two of them should just let it all slide and forget it.

This article states there isn't even a kiss written in the scene but agree we need more evidence if script development / it changed

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/it-ends-with-us-video-intimacy-coordinator-1236116142/

As a woman who has been SA more than once I don't hold with the "believe all women shite", nor do I believe all men are abusers. Some people are Abusers and some people lie, this applies to either sex. Facts are we don't know what the truth is, I will wait until I see the evidence presented in a court of law.