AIBU to be fed up with all the Keir Starmer threads

[MissScarletInTheBallroom]

It's giving me flashbacks to 2016 when there were about 20 threads a day saying nonsense like, "AIBU to be concerned about the EU's plans to conscript everyone into an EU wide army?"

Just put a sock in it, already.

That sounds rather threatening. This government has been elected with a mandate to serve for five years. People will just have to get used to it.

When people lose their jobs, and/or are unable to pay their bills owing to mismanaged inflation, you will see how comforted they are by Starmer’s repeated mantra that he is happy to be ‘unpopular’.

True. Latest today

Chris Williamson, chief business economist at S&P Global, said: “The loss of confidence, combined with widespread concerns over higher staff costs associated with the Budget, pushed employment sharply lower again.
“Barring the job cutting seen during the pandemic, the rate of job losses signalled by the PMI over the past two months has been the highest since the global financial crisis in 2009.”

Morrisons just announced job losses on top of those announced by Sainsbury's. Labour incompetence and ideology has an impact on normal people, it doesn't have an impact on Labour cabinet members.

I cannot take you seriously.

I will instead focus on the adults.

So you don't mind threads with this subject matter (obviously), you just don't want anyone to disagree with you.

For the record, I'm not pro-Tory by any means. But the hypocrisy is a bit ridiculous.

Public sector might feel removed but shrinking the private sector will impact them after a lag

Do what you want. I don't care who you focus on. I'm sure you realise that personal attack and insults are unacceptable, and I'm as entitled to express an opinion as anyone else.

ETA that actually, I didn't state an opinion. I stated a fact.

Yes me too!

And, of course, the suggestion that those who voted Labour and are reasonably satisfied with the government leave the site and find somewhere else to post.

No stay and click on every thread about it

Honestly the moaning about anything not pro Labour

MN should commission a piece on the contrasting effects of Starmer’s and Trump’s respective styles upon entering office. Whilst Trump enters full of positivity, ambition, and bravado on the back of record economic discontent among Americans, Starmer tried his luck with doom, gloom and pessimism on the back of inheriting the G7’s fastest growing economy.

Whilst Trump has been met with investors throwing money hand over fist into the American economy, Starmer has had to send Reeves on a global humiliation tour, from Beijing to Davos, with a begging bowl.

A cold hard assessment of political sentiment, may uncover a great deal about diverging fortunes between the US and UK….

See it like that if you want to. I'm not inclined to get drawn into discussing it with you.

There's nothing to 'discuss'

Stay or go but there will be threads criticising Starmer and Labour whatever. Click or don't, it won't change that

The biggest issue is the press, whatever government is in all they do is bring up every tiny insignificant (often) detail and spread it over the front page. Whether it is tories/labour/democrats/republicans/reform etc etc, the press will pull it to pieces and we the "readers" take in every single word and believe it as gospel.
I say this as having had first hand experience with a press report and they twist the truth unbelievably, you read an article you have had to do with and think they must be reading about some other scenario.
On a personal level I am not keen on Starmer due to his inability to answer a straight black and white question on any one of the PMQ's. But probably the same with all leaders, I just haven't watched them much until lately.

Look at readers comments yourself

No thanks, I’ll stick to facts if it’s all right with you. Or even if it isn’t.

As I’ve already clearly stated, I have no issue with criticism at all - it’s inevitable, necessary and healthy. As with everything, there are a mixture of comments on MSM and on social media. I’m not really sure what your point is? What is it that you want me to explain to you exactly?

If someone criticises Labour’s policy on the two child benefit cap because of the impact of that on children in poverty, then that is obviously very different to GB News presenters/their viewers immediately accusing the PM of a cover-up on the horrendous crime in Southport when he is, in fact, following the legal process, as advised by the CPS, so as not to be in contempt of court.

Landowners will criticise Labour about inheritance tax, private school parents will criticise them over closing the VAT loophole - all totally to be expected and right that it’s debated. But when people rage that Labour have shut down any inquiries on grooming gangs because Starmer is implicated, when they actually just didn’t want the last-minute Tory amendment to kill a much-needed children’s bill, or Farage claims council elections have been cancelled to avoid defeat, when they’ve been postponed due to boundary changes, then that we are in very different territory. Varied debate and criticism is needed, but truth, fact and critical thinking have to be at the centre of that.

I thought there was a politics topic on MN people could use for pro or anti government opinions?

Its not what I would use AIBU for myself.

Socialist experiment? How so?

I don't think I suggested otherwise.
The people who voted for the government and are broadly satisfied with it won't be going anywhere either - and neither will the current government.

Satisfaction is low, the majority are dissatisfied so those thinking they can order this site to not see criticism will have to do it in other ways, ie hiding threads, rather than expecting posters to stop.

Starmer’s satisfaction ratings are stellar compared with Thatcher’s at this point in her government. 🤷‍♀️

You do seem fixated on the idea that posters are trying to order the site not to see criticism of the government. The fact is that people can express their dissatisfaction as much as they like. The government isn't going anywhere, and those who voted for it and are reasonably satisfied aren't going anywhere either.

I'm pretty sure this thread is bemoaning the number of Starmer threads with some agreeing it's too many. I don't care

People should post away, even those that loathe him.

I'd go further than that. Many normal people are alse left leaning, but are either employed or were employed in the public sector, or receive some form of income top-up or benefits. So they are not directly impacted by the competence of the government in the short term, and don't care if people in the private sector lose their jobs or the economy shrinks as a result of their economic polices.

They aren't impacted, and will continue to believe they are right even when the evidence is overwhelmingly negative. Those in the centre and on the right want to grow the economy and make everyone better off (even if that is, in the eyes of the left, not 'equally' shared), whereas those on the left / far left would happily shrink the economy, as long as they aren't worse off. Which, ironically, makes those on the left more selfish than those in the centre or on the right!!

It's not about agreeing or not agreeing. It's the high drama.

If you're suggesting the end is nigh after only 6 months of a Labour government then yes I am going to think you are being silly.