To be alarmed at Starmers plans

[Rubytuesday77]

Anybody else worried about his ongoing plans for deeper involvement in Ukraine. In an interview yesterday he said he intends to send our troops out there. Surely this would mean we’d be at war with Russia! Anyone else very concerned.

It would nice if MNHQ could clamp down on scaremongering and misinformation too.

If Russia declares war on the UK, I'm off to live in Berwick on Tweed. They've supposedly been at war with Russia since the Crimea and the town's still standing (or what passes for it) so they must be doing something right. 😀

It's always a little surprising when people who voluntarily join the armed forces are shocked when it's suggested they might be expected to fight.

https://news.sky.com/story/uk-will-play-its-full-part-in-peacekeeping-efforts-in-ukraine-says-sir-keir-starmer-13290316

I think this is the interview op is referring to. Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong op.

I think some people would be surprised at how many different countries contribute to peacekeeping, especially UN peacekeeping in places around the world.

Irish peacekeepers are currently in Lebanon

Lebanon: No plans to remove Irish peacekeepers despite warnings - BBC News

Yes you're right

Tbf I think there is a role for citizens saying no to troops fighting. Part of why US are not so keen on sending their young men to other wars

As much as previously anyway

How many armed forces people do you actually know? How many times have you come across this? You say “always” as though it’s something you’ve commonly experienced. I’d be surprised, because I know and have known 100s and not one of them as ever been “shocked” when they’ve received orders to go on active service. They are trained for it, expect it and sometimes even relish the opportunity to use all their training. Mostly though they just get on with it because they swore an oath that they would and know that’s what they signed up for. But would you seriously not expect them to question the stupidity and motives of politicians like Starmer bustling into a war that has very little to do with them, when everyone else is either trying to get out of it or looking very carefully the other way?

Perhaps you do think that, stupid, meathead, trained killers who choose to join the army should just do exactly what they’re told by their betters - people like you and the other lefty MNetters who think it’s “about time” we got more involved and sent working class people’s thick kids (not your uni darlings) off into a war zone.

MN is so fucking grim at times.

I heard on a podcast (can't remember which) that there were rumours that troops were discussed when Macron visited Chequers and had dinner with Starmer. Hence Beth Rigby asking Starmer the question in the interview I linked upthread.

What? They have signed up to protect us and our country, not to meddle in foreign interventions in every bloody country where there is conflict! I hope they refuse of say - dear MPs, please send your sons and daughters with us, otherwise we shall leave the army.

@Adamante I agree with you.

Oh, I see, fuck the older generation them, let them die in yet another foreign adventure - and why not - Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Syria, and now Ukraine.

Sorry, the fucker signed 100-year pact with Ukraine and I am being inflammatory? Get a grip.

Did you see that bit about peacekeepers?

Do you think that countries should contribute to peacekeeping?

United Nations Peacekeeping

Currently 11 peacekeeping missions around the world.

I just showed this post to my ex military DH. He's nodding along in agreement with you too. Spot on @Adamante

What are you on about? Starmer has said nothing at all about any troops of any age being sent into combat. What he has talked about is peacekeeping.

MN is bonkers tonight. But I guess @Rubytuesday77 is getting what he/she wanted by starting this scaremongering thread. Enjoy your frothing @Hwi and others.

Did your military DH know that it seems to be peacekeeping that is being considered instead of being sent to war?

Eh?
Dh doesn't know anything about the story at all. He agrees with the general sentiment of Adamante's post.

As a response to this post @Adamante made sense

It's always a little surprising when people who voluntarily join the armed forces are shocked when it's suggested they might be expected to fight.

So about Starmer bustling us into a war eh?

And yet it's about peacekeepers....

Maybe you're under the impression that the UK has been supporting Ukraine because we love Ukrainians? That's not it. We've been supporting Ukraine exactly because we don't want to be fighting Russia when it rolls straight over Ukraine and moves onto the Baltic states. They're NATO members and, if they're attacked we will be at war with Russia. So we're helping the Ukrainians fight Putin so we don't have to. If we send peacekeepers to Ukraine it'll be for the same reason, to stop things before they get to our doorstep.

WTF are you talking about? I think you need to go back a bit and read the post. I have shared no opinion whatsoever about this story, just my husband's approval of Adamante's post re military personnel.

They’re not. My bloke wasn’t remotely shocked when he found himself in the Falklands, he was a bit surprised that the QE2 took him there though.

Yes and then they go and post cat photos on other threads and snuggle down and watch a drama on Netflix - It is a disgrace. National Service would soon stop this.

"But would you seriously not expect them to question the stupidity and motives of politicians like Starmer bustling into a war that has very little to do with them, when everyone else is either trying to get out of it or looking very carefully the other way"

The motives seem to be about peacekeeping.

And if you do join the military - and I come from a military family, you do expect / it should not surprise you if you have to fight at some point.