To be alarmed at Starmers plans

[Rubytuesday77]

Anybody else worried about his ongoing plans for deeper involvement in Ukraine. In an interview yesterday he said he intends to send our troops out there. Surely this would mean we’d be at war with Russia! Anyone else very concerned.

What would national service stop? Those two sentences bear little relation to one another.

Are you drunk?

🤣🤣🤣

I don't have Netflix or a cat. Am I excused National Service?

This was my thought, after discussing earlier with hubster.

What a load of fucking bullshit - and we got involved in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Syria because those countries were also going to attack us? Why did our boys die there? Sorry, forgot, Iraq had WMD and was doing to detonate them in the UK. What a load of brainwashed bullshit. Yes, and Yugoslavia was going to bomb the shit out of London, right?

Yeah, I'd definitely still post cat photos and watch Netflix even if they brought back national service.

This thread is fully batshit crazy.

There’s only three posts in that train of conversation

It’s easy to follow

Ridiculous scare mongering misinformation thread.

On Ukraine more widely:
If there is an end negotiated then it is surely better to negotiate from a place of strength rather than weakness. If we capitulate to Russia then Estonia, Finland, Moldova and lots of other countries suddenly look attractive to Putin to either invade or put entirely in his sphere of influence. One of the few things I actually think Trump has right is that NATO countries need to step up their defence spending. The west needs to stand strong here.

And the Kremlin apologists can get in the bin. Either you are b o t s or you are very useful idiots.

The spacing on bots won’t help, mnhq don’t scan threads with tech they read them when they need to

@Adamante "How many armed forces people do you actually know? How many times have you come across this? You say “always” as though it’s something you’ve commonly experienced. I’d be surprised, because I know and have known 100s and not one of them as ever been “shocked” when they’ve received orders to go on active service"

You might want to read my post again. I said it's "always surprising when people [like several posters on here] are shocked" not that "service people are shocked".

We're talking about Ukraine, right?

I wonder if the OP will return?

It's always a little surprising when people who voluntarily join the armed forces are shocked when it's suggested they might be expected to fight.

This was your original post. I read it the same way everyone else did.

@Hwi Why do you think the army would
Want the children of politicians

Unless they're also in the army

How silly

The only thing it's 'about time Starmer did', is to focus on what's happening/needs to happen in the UK.

He can do both - that's why the UK has a cabinet with portfolios for ministers.

Many would argue he isn't 'doing both' effectively, which is why his popularity has taken a nosedive...

Well, let's thank the gods that governing is no longer the popularity contest like it was during 14 years of Tory rule. Maybe we'll see actual real, meaningful change this time round.

I wouldn't hold my breath. He fills me with ZERO confidence!

Thank you. 100% this.

"other lefty MNetters who think it’s “about time” we got more involved and sent working class people’s thick kids (not your uni darlings) off into a war zone."

If that was directed at me, my eldest has their fitness test for the Marines tomorrow...........

I don't think we would need to worry unless Russia was actually invaded

Is he sending them to operate missiles OP ?

@FOJN Scott Horton's new book traces the history of this conflict back to 1990 and the promises made when Germany was reunified. It's a fascinating, well referenced read if a bit hefty. 😀

I have read quite a lot about this topic, and I must say I am quite stunned that so many people so easily refer to the likes of Professors Sachs, Meirsheimer, Cohen and many others as either conspiracy theorists, Kremlin's agents, Putin's apologists or some other derogatory names of that sort despite the fact that most of them have no evidence whatsoever of any of those professors spouting any so called conspiracy theories prior to Feb 2022. Interestingly, the same people never call the likes of Piers Morgan, any of the MSM or anyone else who only wishes to see one side of the story NATO apologists, CIA agents or war mongers despite the fact that those " news sources" lied to us extensively about Vietnam, Afganistan, Syria, Iraq etc. and there should as a minimum be at least some doubt as to whether or not they are now telling us the truth (never mind the full truth!) about Ukraine.

Scott Horton's book you mentioned in your reply is next on my reading list and I am convinced that it will only reinforce my opinion on the Ukraine conflict.

Thank you for your response. I am glad to have come across someone, who is open to considering the other side of the story without gaslighting the professors, who clearly devoted their lifetime to research and extensive study of the subject that so many of us don't even spend even an hour per week on in order to feel sufficiently qualified to argue with them.