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To wonder if Starmer can survive the vibe-shift?

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User09678 · 22/01/2025 12:25

Trump has been going hell for leather since his inauguration it seems, things are changing fast - Trump likes the UK, but he doesn't like Starmer. Starmer seems out of sync with the changing tide, and seems (to me) to get it wrong and make it worse everytime he opens his mouth. AIBU in wondering how long Starmer can hang on?

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ByMerryKoala · 27/01/2025 11:24

Fine, I guess it'll all be known come the statement on 28th March. Fwiw, I don't think anyone voted for Labour hoping to see cuts to welfare payments. I've been surprised to see people pivot and defend them but that's a different instinct.

EasternStandard · 27/01/2025 11:25

That's the issue with going for the private sector it feeds through to what you can spend

Some can't see it and think shrinking the private sector has no repercussions, well bar loss of jobs which they don't care about, but it does come round to spending

BIossomtoes · 27/01/2025 12:15

Katypp · 27/01/2025 10:38

But it's not happening. Yes, Labour are getting a pasting because they are making a complete hash of a lot of things.
You are completely deluded if you honestly can't remember BJ or Cameron on Truss being criticised in the press
The nonsense that the press are somehow to blame is just a convenient smokescreen to deflect from actually addressing the issues.
As is 'they've only been in power six months'.
Back on election day, many thought there would be changes well before six months, but the goalposts are ever moving. It won't be long before posters are arguing 'but they've only been in power a year', then two, then three
Then it will be 'they can't dismantle 14 years of Tory disasters is five years' and so on.
Excuse after excuse.

Edited

https://bylinetimes.com/2025/01/24/what-the-government-has-been-doing/

Twenty More Government Reforms the Media Hasn't Been Telling You About

You probably won’t have read much about these announcements over the past few weeks

https://bylinetimes.com/2025/01/24/what-the-government-has-been-doing

Katypp · 27/01/2025 12:31

I am well aware there has been lots of change that is not common knowledge, probably because it is either minor or just a continuation of what was already in motion anyway. I don't think banning pesticides, Lisa Nandy's propsals for the culture sector or a Nature Restoration Fund are what most new Labour voters hoped for when they were persuaded to support Sir Keir et al.

BIossomtoes · 27/01/2025 12:38

It’s still news, isn’t it? None of which has reached mainstream media.

Julen7 · 27/01/2025 12:38

Most of it is minor stuff, hence why not widely reported

BIossomtoes · 27/01/2025 12:41

Julen7 · 27/01/2025 12:38

Most of it is minor stuff, hence why not widely reported

You think this is minor? Seriously?

Last week, the Business and Trade Secretary Jonathan Reynolds announced a £50 million investment deal secured between JATCO, Nissan and the UK Government to build a new manufacturing site in Sunderland. Government officials say it will create and support hundreds of jobs in the North East.

“This is the latest in a series of job-boosting investments to deliver growth as part of our Plan for Change including £14 billion in AI investment, £12 billion in export deals to Iraq and £4 billion from Malaysian YTL creating 30,000 jobs,” a No 10 spokesperson said.

Julen7 · 27/01/2025 12:44

I said most of it

TheNuthatch · 27/01/2025 13:26

I don't think it would help the government's popularity if those 20 points had been widely reported.
If you are one of the groups who have been punished by labour, seeing what the government are actually doing may sting a bit. I am happy about the bees, but it doesn't compensate for what they have done to small business to give one example.

EasternStandard · 27/01/2025 13:32

TheNuthatch · 27/01/2025 13:26

I don't think it would help the government's popularity if those 20 points had been widely reported.
If you are one of the groups who have been punished by labour, seeing what the government are actually doing may sting a bit. I am happy about the bees, but it doesn't compensate for what they have done to small business to give one example.

People are more concerned with jobs

Not for some oddly on here as they are so Labour orientated but those who can read the CBI statements or are in the private sector

Katypp · 27/01/2025 13:38

TheNuthatch · 27/01/2025 13:26

I don't think it would help the government's popularity if those 20 points had been widely reported.
If you are one of the groups who have been punished by labour, seeing what the government are actually doing may sting a bit. I am happy about the bees, but it doesn't compensate for what they have done to small business to give one example.

Exactly.
I mean, it shouldn't be a massive surprise that the Government has actually done SOMETHING on six months!
I think I would take a little convincing that not covering this mostly niche list is proof that the media are against Labour though. I can't remember much about the minutae of every change being reported previously either.
The media will cover what it thinks is of interest to its readers. It is not Hansard.

BIossomtoes · 27/01/2025 13:41

EasternStandard · 27/01/2025 13:32

People are more concerned with jobs

Not for some oddly on here as they are so Labour orientated but those who can read the CBI statements or are in the private sector

If you were concerned about jobs you’d be delighted that 30,000 are being created in one of the least economically prosperous parts of the country.

EasternStandard · 27/01/2025 13:46

This is the problem

Private sector expects steep decline in activity into 2025
23 DECEMBER 2024
Private sector firms expect activity to fall in the three months to March (weighted balance of -24%), according to the CBI’s latest Growth Indicator. Expectations are now at their weakest in over two years.

Labour are too busy patting themselves on the back about whatever they can to even get the issue.

Katypp · 27/01/2025 13:59

BIossomtoes · 27/01/2025 13:41

If you were concerned about jobs you’d be delighted that 30,000 are being created in one of the least economically prosperous parts of the country.

Sorry @Blossomtoes but I think you are fooling yourself if you honestly think that people would be as interested in a pesticide being banned as they are in eg Lakeland putting itself up for sale or my local hospice scaling back as a direct result of the NI increase.
To say - which I think you are, correct me if I'm wrong - that the only reason people aren't celebrating these 20 things is because they don't know about them is ridiculous.
The press are not majoring on any of that list because there are far more big issues to cover, like as ES says, the damage to the private sector for example.
Producing a list like this as some sort of gotcha just proves to me that some posters are so blinded by their support of Labour that they are willing to brush anything aside and attach themselves to any positive, no matter how minor or niche.

BIossomtoes · 27/01/2025 14:02

So you’re not happy about 30,000 new jobs being created? Doesn’t sound very minor or niche to me. 🤷‍♀️

EasternStandard · 27/01/2025 14:04

Producing a list like this as some sort of gotcha just proves to me that some posters are so blinded by their support of Labour that they are willing to brush anything aside and attach themselves to any positive, no matter how minor or niche.

I think this is true. It's not something I can relate to, that level of attachment

Katypp · 27/01/2025 14:04

Of course I am. That is very positive, clearly.
What about the jobs that will be at risk from the rise in NI though?

Katypp · 27/01/2025 14:07

EasternStandard · 27/01/2025 14:04

Producing a list like this as some sort of gotcha just proves to me that some posters are so blinded by their support of Labour that they are willing to brush anything aside and attach themselves to any positive, no matter how minor or niche.

I think this is true. It's not something I can relate to, that level of attachment

Nope, it's something I struggle with.
Still slightly aghast at the threads when Labour won, tbh, proclaiming a new era, the grown-ups were in charge now etc.
I wonder if those posters are still so blindingly optimistic six months in?

TheNuthatch · 27/01/2025 14:08

BIossomtoes · 27/01/2025 14:02

So you’re not happy about 30,000 new jobs being created? Doesn’t sound very minor or niche to me. 🤷‍♀️

Of course it's a good thing, in Jonny Reynold's home town no less 😉
But it's a drop in the ocean when held up to whats happening in the economy right now as a direct result of this government's actions.
I just hope Nissan can afford the NICs!

Julen7 · 27/01/2025 14:12

Katypp · 27/01/2025 14:07

Nope, it's something I struggle with.
Still slightly aghast at the threads when Labour won, tbh, proclaiming a new era, the grown-ups were in charge now etc.
I wonder if those posters are still so blindingly optimistic six months in?

I think realistically they can’t be…it’s just bravado. Have not seen so much about “grown ups” and Labour in the same sentence on threads recently though, thankfully as it made my hair stand on end.

TheNuthatch · 27/01/2025 14:20

EasternStandard · 27/01/2025 13:46

This is the problem

Private sector expects steep decline in activity into 2025
23 DECEMBER 2024
Private sector firms expect activity to fall in the three months to March (weighted balance of -24%), according to the CBI’s latest Growth Indicator. Expectations are now at their weakest in over two years.

Labour are too busy patting themselves on the back about whatever they can to even get the issue.

Is this from what's being reported on the front of The Independent today? I can't access it (paywall) but they are reporting warnings from the CBI I think.

Llttledrummergirl · 27/01/2025 14:33

And how much of his is due to them underpaying their shop staff compared to their warehouse staff for many years? They have relied on stae top ups for their staff to bridge the gap, meaning their business model was shit and now they have to address that. Cafes are a loss leader, especially when the stock is overpriced and staid. It's not a surprise that they are cutting back. They removed the cafe in my local Sainsbury's last year when the tories were still in charge, so hardly a gotcha.

EasternStandard · 27/01/2025 14:38

@TheNuthatch it's from the CBI press release which some will have picked up on

www.cbi.org.uk/media-centre/articles/private-sector-expects-steep-decline-in-activity-into-2025/

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