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To wonder if Starmer can survive the vibe-shift?

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User09678 · 22/01/2025 12:25

Trump has been going hell for leather since his inauguration it seems, things are changing fast - Trump likes the UK, but he doesn't like Starmer. Starmer seems out of sync with the changing tide, and seems (to me) to get it wrong and make it worse everytime he opens his mouth. AIBU in wondering how long Starmer can hang on?

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Goldenbear · 26/01/2025 17:21

Julen7 · 26/01/2025 17:20

I can tell.

😬

maxplanck · 26/01/2025 17:27

People getting all wound up about a reform lead 4 years from a potential GE. Pointless.

Goldenbear · 26/01/2025 17:31

maxplanck · 26/01/2025 17:27

People getting all wound up about a reform lead 4 years from a potential GE. Pointless.

Exactly, how many times 4,3,2,1 year prior to the last election did the polls indicate Labour were not going to win the 2024 election, then they won with a large majority!

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 26/01/2025 20:59

Things aren't going going well for anyone.

BIossomtoes · 26/01/2025 21:14

has any new gov lost it this quickly?

Yes. Thatcher went on to win two more elections after this.

www.ipsos.com/en-uk/british-public-opinion-april-1980

TheNuthatch · 26/01/2025 21:18

It seems Reeves is about to give the go ahead for airport expansions. Meanwhile Ed Miliband is spending billions of our taxpayer £ on 'going green'. Make it make sense.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 26/01/2025 21:31

Rachel’s trying to save her arse.

Ed’s trying to save the environment.

TheNuthatch · 26/01/2025 21:32

BIossomtoes · 26/01/2025 21:14

has any new gov lost it this quickly?

Yes. Thatcher went on to win two more elections after this.

www.ipsos.com/en-uk/british-public-opinion-april-1980

I admire your faith and optimism, but I wouldn't say Starmer is the same calibre as Thatcher.

BIossomtoes · 26/01/2025 21:39

I didn’t comment on anyone’s calibre, I simply answered a question. Maybe Starmer needs a Falklands.

Andwhoisasking · 26/01/2025 21:43

BIossomtoes · 26/01/2025 21:39

I didn’t comment on anyone’s calibre, I simply answered a question. Maybe Starmer needs a Falklands.

What the actual? I mean I know Labour fans have form for supporting war and death but wow,

EasternStandard · 26/01/2025 21:47

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 26/01/2025 21:31

Rachel’s trying to save her arse.

Ed’s trying to save the environment.

Pretty much

Reeves has bet on growth and then stopped it

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 26/01/2025 21:49

BIossomtoes · 26/01/2025 21:39

I didn’t comment on anyone’s calibre, I simply answered a question. Maybe Starmer needs a Falklands.

Are you wishing for a war so your favourite politician save his ratings?

That’s rather desperate.

And in bad taste.

BIossomtoes · 26/01/2025 21:51

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 26/01/2025 21:49

Are you wishing for a war so your favourite politician save his ratings?

That’s rather desperate.

And in bad taste.

Of course not. It worked for the Iron Lady though.

Sherbs12 · 26/01/2025 21:52

TheNuthatch · 26/01/2025 21:32

I admire your faith and optimism, but I wouldn't say Starmer is the same calibre as Thatcher.

And we all know how people in the red wall / real world felt about Thatcher.

In your opinion, out of current politicians, who does have the right calibre to be PM? It’s so easy to criticise, so I’m interested to know who you think would be doing a better job. Ta!

TheNuthatch · 26/01/2025 21:55

Sherbs12 · 26/01/2025 21:52

And we all know how people in the red wall / real world felt about Thatcher.

In your opinion, out of current politicians, who does have the right calibre to be PM? It’s so easy to criticise, so I’m interested to know who you think would be doing a better job. Ta!

None of them.
You're welcome.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 26/01/2025 21:55

BIossomtoes · 26/01/2025 21:51

Of course not. It worked for the Iron Lady though.

Of course not?

It’s literally what you said.

Sherbs12 · 26/01/2025 21:57

TheNuthatch · 26/01/2025 21:55

None of them.
You're welcome.

Brilliant - so constructive. Maybe you should go for it, show them how it’s done.

BIossomtoes · 26/01/2025 22:00

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 26/01/2025 21:55

Of course not?

It’s literally what you said.

It’s literally not what I said. Is your flippancy detector always so inefficient?

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 26/01/2025 22:03

BIossomtoes · 26/01/2025 22:00

It’s literally not what I said. Is your flippancy detector always so inefficient?

Oh of course.

The old I was being sarcastic, honest guv! excuse.

Again.

Andwhoisasking · 26/01/2025 22:05

BIossomtoes · 26/01/2025 22:00

It’s literally not what I said. Is your flippancy detector always so inefficient?

Yeah you did; it’s hugely offensive to be honest. As usual.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 26/01/2025 22:06

Have the decency to admit it.

BIossomtoes · 26/01/2025 22:10

We’ll just let readers of the thread decide for themselves, shall we?

TheNuthatch · 26/01/2025 22:13

Sherbs12 · 26/01/2025 21:57

Brilliant - so constructive. Maybe you should go for it, show them how it’s done.

Thank you 💐

Ilovetowander · 27/01/2025 07:33

I think people feel so disappointed because Labour weren't honest about things. Winter fuel, inheritance tax, waspi women etc etc therefore people don't trust them and wonder about what they will do now. I think people will be looking at Trump and thinking he promised this snd hat and followed up with action. Even if you don't agree with his policy and actions he is doing what he said unlike Labour.

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