To wonder if Starmer can survive the vibe-shift?

[User09678]

Trump has been going hell for leather since his inauguration it seems, things are changing fast - Trump likes the UK, but he doesn't like Starmer. Starmer seems out of sync with the changing tide, and seems (to me) to get it wrong and make it worse everytime he opens his mouth. AIBU in wondering how long Starmer can hang on?

He's got a massive parliamentary majority. That is not going to change.

Also Trump is an abhorrent bell-end. The only thing he likes is money and power.

Not sure the tide is turning the same way in the UK in fact as many western governments are electing more right wing we went more left wing. Why do you assume we're a carbon copy of the US?

Probably. As Labour have got a pretty massive majority, the only way he'd be out is if the Labour party got rid of him and put someone else in his place and there isn't anyone who'd be more popular with Trump. He's not going to call an election before he has to.

The UK is a democracy, the US is a democracy. Both elect their own Governments.
You can disapprove, have a grumble, whatever.

It is frightfully off to try and over throw a democracy.

Fair question. Maybe, maybe not but he’s not got much to leverage whereas the US / Trump could make things much harder for him.

The majority of Brits think Trump is a misogynist abuser of women, a dinosaur looking backward at 20th Century ways of doing things, a spineless lack of ambition, afraid of change, afraid of progress, wringing every last drop of money out of the working class with his coterie of oligarchs and weirdbros.

Fuck him, fuck Lowe / Tice / Farage et al too, our home grown oligarchs - we’re better than that.

It's not just Trump. Upcoming elections in Canada and Germany will demonstrate a loss of faith in left leaning parties more broadly. There does seem to be a trend and I wouldn't be surprised if this will feed the rising popularity for Reform and this will be the real headache for Starmer.

We didn't go "more left wing". Labour's vote in 2024 wasn't more than it was under Corbyn in 2019. Labour won because the Tory vote collapsed due to the sheer number of Tories who changed their votes to Reform or the LibDems. The majority who moved to Reform clearly shows a Right wing swing, not a left wing swing. The tide towards the Right is happening right across Europe including the UK.

Were Labour's win a vote in confidence for Starmer, rather than a rejection of the Tory party, then he and the party wouldn't have seem such a startling drop in popularity over the last six months.

Agreed

I think you need to find another job.

@taxguru we've selected a nominally more left wing government than our previous one.

The reasons behind are complicated but it is who we've elected and it's different to the USA so not sure why op thinks there's some inevitable link to Starmer's decline 🤷🏻‍♀️

So many threads like this. It is almost as if the OP's of such threads don't understand how democracy works in the UK.

Even if by some remote chance Starmer was forced to step down by his own party, we'd still have a Labour government.

Maybe Rayner could step in if it does happen.

We believe in democracy and democratic elections.

With another election not due for another 5 years why would Labour seek to remove him?

The 'vibe' in the US is not replicated in the UK.

Most of us don't want anything to do with Trump's nonsense or with his Nazi salute giving billionaire cronies.

Our main left parties combined still outdid Tories and Reform combined. I do agree Far Right populism is growing in The West though.

@User09678 thinks that jailed rioters and arsonists are "political dissidents".

Ah ok!

They probably support asylum seeker families being burned alive.

I think Trump's more right wing policies and sentiments particularly around borders and gender ideology opens the doors for other countries to start questioning the status quo and what everyone has taken for granted for so long. He will have an impact over here.

What status quo?

People have been whining about mass immigration in the UK since the 50s. And people will continue to whine about or for the next millennia.

No, I'm a bot

The last 10 years have given a wonky view on how UK elections work. Starmer will very likely hold on until the next election, which will probably be 2029.

Wait until

there are a few measles epidemics
Diabetics are dying through no insulin
Pollution on the up from unfettered oil & gas drilling
Crops rotting in the fields
Healthcare unaffordable for all
Zero workers rights

…and let’s see how much people want to follow the US then.