To wonder if Starmer can survive the vibe-shift?

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Trump has been going hell for leather since his inauguration it seems, things are changing fast - Trump likes the UK, but he doesn't like Starmer. Starmer seems out of sync with the changing tide, and seems (to me) to get it wrong and make it worse everytime he opens his mouth. AIBU in wondering how long Starmer can hang on?

I don't. But we've always had a "special" relationship with the US I don't see the two of them working particularly well together

Starmer seems out of sync with the changing tide

Are you forgetting there was a general election 6 months ago and ‘the tide’ swayed to Starmer?

They are British, as is Badenoch, hence no name calling, Trump isn't, we can call him what we like....

My Grandad in WW2 had lots of names for the Septic tanks.... and they threw plenty back in return....

Your problem is??

He did an idiot move by replacing the current ambassador with Mandelson.

Apparently the old ambassador got on really well with Trumps team.

Like it or not, everyone is going to have to manage Trump and his policies.

Get it right and we can be in a useful bridge position between the US and Europe. Get it wrong and we will be screwed by both sides.

Starmer just doesn't look up to the challenge IMO.

I'm anti trans ideological nonsense.

Trump is scary and I don't support him.

He might decide to step back and focus on his family life

My little group?

The orange sex pest is orange and a sex pest. Both are statements of fact.

I don't really care if people want to call Starmer and Reeves names, even if I think those names are pathetic. Although the Two Tier Keir epithet is quite useful as it does say a lot about those who use it.

Why would he do that? Who do you think would replace him?

Thé majority of the responses on this thread show why Kamala lost.

😁 Right

I guess he had his fingers crossed that the pound would tank, the cost of borrowing would rise, that the treasury would borrow more than four billion extra than the extra detailed in the autumn budget, that there'll need to have a spring budget to do another round of tax rises and that welfare cuts would have to go harder and deeper than they imagined, that the party would have to u-turn on grooming gang national inquiries because they labelled the 77% of the population who considered it a necessity as far right, that his corruptions minister would be corrupt, that his foreign minister doesn't know where Lybia is, that Louise Haigh would have to resign, that everyone would know that he is too cheap to pay for his own clothes, how very clever.

So, now we've got the shit out of the way, when do you think we'll see the good stuff?

No we haven't, we've just done what they wanted... Iraq war for starters, they were dead against us defending the Falklands too.

When it came to contracts for rebuilding Iraq, the French got the lions share of ones given to European countries, UK missed out.

They fucked us over Afghanistan too.

Oh and took over 2 years to help us out in WW2.

That isn't true is it about not calling British MPs names. Nice try though.

Could resign, could be pushed, could be dragged out in chains by US Marines.

Let's see.

I do think Trump is sexist and maybe not the most moral person, I don't disagree with all of his views though he is right on some things.
Starmer is a weak leader and just more of the same.. I honestly don't see a difference between the tories and Labour at this point. He made a right cock up in his response to the Southport shootings.
That's my opinion really I don't have a problem..

God who remembers that thread way back in the summer that said the right wing were better losers than the left? 😂 Well these endless, endless threads about Starmer and Labour sure would suggest otherwise

That bubble is called the countryside. People are really very unhappy about Labour's dekulakisation.

Those that don’t see a difference are either not paying attention, or don’t want to see

its hugely different to the previous government

How DARE you lie about things I've said to try and smear me - I challenge you to find where I said any such thing. I made clear that I meant those who posted on social media expressing their discomfort about migration levels have been jailed for dissidence when hundreds walk free after trying to incite violence and threatening GC woman with death and rape. I made clear that I was not referring to anyone who had been violence or called for violence and that I abhor violence.

DO NOT spread misinformation about what I have said.

I think most people in most west democracies have realised that left and right are just different colours of shit and on a day-to-day basis neither make much difference to how most people live. For years, all politician of all hues have been promising the earth and none of them have delivered. No one has any new vision, new hope, or new ideas. We're all just going to trundle on forever until capitalism completely collapses, or we all drown under rising sea levels, or we get wiped out by an asteroid like the dinosaurs - all possibly all three.

I think people are so used to the Tories changing leaders, they think it’s a given.

Starmer has a mandate for 5 years. Let’s wait more than six months to see what he makes of it.

No, Kamala lost as she was a late replacement for Joe Biden, a man who was struggling with his age.

The US economy has been through a period of high inflation and the last government to the blame for that.

The more cynical part of me thinks that Trump won a he realised a significant part of the US electorate are racist morons who are happy to blame immigration for all of the countries ills. He then pandered to them. A unprincipled wanker who just desires power.

He got 4 and half years and a massive majority in parliament. A week can be a long time in politics.

Tory are still main opposition party - and they are in disarray really still - and other parties aren't having huge media interest at minute. The pollsters think at moment - it all over the place a snap election would likely by a collation government but time can and will hugely impact that.

I wouldn't say Starmer's* *doing great - but there are lots of built up problems no-one really got great plans to deal with.

UK tends to be more on left than USA based policies and while some Trump polices may be agreed with doesn't mean everything he does will be - and frankly while we may all speak English thus share a language our politics and culture do differ hugely and that's not always well understood.

No one has been jailed for posting discomfort!

you care about misinformation, don’t post it yourself