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To feel everyone is anti trans?

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Kitjo · 22/01/2025 07:14

I'm well aware of current US views led by Trump - but are these views generally held/supported in the UK? Of course I understand opinions on NHS gender reassignment funding, as well as controversies over trans women in sport. Needless to say I'm fully aware of concerns over women's safety issues. Are there any sympathisers or supporters out there? What about trans masculine folk who are surely no threat to women's safety or sport? None of these people would choose such a hard life, socially, financially, physically, mentally, emotionally... am I alone in thinking a bit of kindness and compassion towards the trans community might be appreciated for the massive personal struggles they have to face? I am open minded to hearing and understanding your views.

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namechangeGOT · 22/01/2025 12:55

Lentilweaver · 22/01/2025 12:54

I just want to know what love towards trans people means exactly. It's very fuzzy.

It means we pander to the men in frocks. Cos feelings innit.

Drfosters · 22/01/2025 12:56

TheRadiatorLady · 22/01/2025 12:50

It really is.

Explain…

IdylicDay · 22/01/2025 12:56

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Lentilweaver · 22/01/2025 12:56

Oh no @PicturePlace as a brown woman I take huge exception to you comparing transwomen to PoC or Muslims.Nope, not the same. Poor analogy.

NDSceptic · 22/01/2025 12:56

IdylicDay · 22/01/2025 12:49

There is no complexity in sex. Other than DSDs, which are a medical anomaly.

DSDs do not introduce any complexity to sex. Only to determining sex in a few individuals who don’t have the benefit of access to modern medical facilities. They are still one sex or the other.

namechangeGOT · 22/01/2025 12:57

PicturePlace · 22/01/2025 12:52

Actually, reading the FWR forum on here has made me MORE inclined to be kind, since it's given me some idea of what trans people are up against.

❤️

Good for you. I won't ❤️

TheRadiatorLady · 22/01/2025 12:57

Drfosters · 22/01/2025 12:56

Explain…

Explain what? That there are only two sexes? It would take a while. Any biology book should suffice.

Tandora · 22/01/2025 12:57

TheRadiatorLady · 22/01/2025 12:51

But people with DSDs are still either male or female. There are only two sexes.

This is a semantic claim.

Whats important to understand is that , descriptively, people with DSDs have a mixture of (typically) “male” and (typically) “female” sexual characteristics due to differences in development , because “sex” is a multidimensional and complex process of development.
Many of these differences have only become visible with the invention of modern technologies. It is very possible that there are others which are still not fully understood / observed. Lots of interesting research happening into neurobiological differences.

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 22/01/2025 12:57

PicturePlace · 22/01/2025 12:40

I've got news for you. People can't change sex.

Turns out they can, you're behind the times. You should read a book!

No, no they cannot. If you are born a male, no matter what you call yourself, you will always be male and experience none of the experiences women do. If you are born a woman, you will always be a woman and experience none of the experiences men do.

When they dig up a trans person's body in 100 years, they will be male or female, according to their DNA. One cannot change their DNA or chromosomes. Biological sex cannot be changed, no matter how many cramps a man has from taking a female hormone.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 22/01/2025 12:57

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You haven’t posted anything that has made any sense (and I can read) so I’m not sure you’re in a position to speak for others or put anyone else down. The only one who has given you a smidgen of agreement holds batshit opinions so I wouldn’t be waving that as a victory flag.

Brefugee · 22/01/2025 12:58

The murder and suicide rates for trans people are heartbreaking.

where? in the uk in 2024 as far as i can remember it was an average of slightly over 2 women per week. Killed for being a woman.

Trans people? I can think of one.

TheRadiatorLady · 22/01/2025 12:58

Tandora · 22/01/2025 12:57

This is a semantic claim.

Whats important to understand is that , descriptively, people with DSDs have a mixture of (typically) “male” and (typically) “female” sexual characteristics due to differences in development , because “sex” is a multidimensional and complex process of development.
Many of these differences have only become visible with the invention of modern technologies. It is very possible that there are others which are still not fully understood / observed. Lots of interesting research happening into neurobiological differences.

No. It's a biological fact.

Also, people with DSDs hate being used in trans arguments. The vast majority of trans people do not have DSDs, rather they try to use them as a gotcha. Do better and maybe read a book or two.

IdylicDay · 22/01/2025 12:58

PicturePlace · 22/01/2025 12:55

Saying a person isn’t the opposite sex of their birth isn’t transphobic.

It absolutely is.

It absolutely is NOT, @PicturePlace . Because NO ONE CAN CHANGE THEIR SEX. 'Gender Identity', yes, but not SEX. Your sex is imprinted in every single sell in your body! It cannot be changed. Your ignorance of chromosomes and DNA is astounding.

PicturePlace · 22/01/2025 12:59

What is it that makes her "unintelligent"?

Have you read Harry Potter? The bar is not high.

NDSceptic · 22/01/2025 12:59

Tandora · 22/01/2025 12:57

This is a semantic claim.

Whats important to understand is that , descriptively, people with DSDs have a mixture of (typically) “male” and (typically) “female” sexual characteristics due to differences in development , because “sex” is a multidimensional and complex process of development.
Many of these differences have only become visible with the invention of modern technologies. It is very possible that there are others which are still not fully understood / observed. Lots of interesting research happening into neurobiological differences.

None of that has any impact on their sex.

Tandora · 22/01/2025 13:00

namechangeGOT · 22/01/2025 12:55

It means we pander to the men in frocks. Cos feelings innit.

“Men in frocks”

is this your understanding of what it is to be trans?

lifeturnsonadime · 22/01/2025 13:01

Tandora · 22/01/2025 13:00

“Men in frocks”

is this your understanding of what it is to be trans?

What's YOUR definition of trans Tandora?

Brefugee · 22/01/2025 13:01

IdylicDay · 22/01/2025 12:58

It absolutely is NOT, @PicturePlace . Because NO ONE CAN CHANGE THEIR SEX. 'Gender Identity', yes, but not SEX. Your sex is imprinted in every single sell in your body! It cannot be changed. Your ignorance of chromosomes and DNA is astounding.

But it is transphobic. As defined by TRAs.
And only their view counts.

TheRadiatorLady · 22/01/2025 13:01

Tandora · 22/01/2025 13:00

“Men in frocks”

is this your understanding of what it is to be trans?

No one will actually explain to us what it is to be trans, so how are we supposed to know? Maybe you could enlighten us so we can do better?

Of course, for many men, being trans is nothing more than putting on a dress. AGPs, for example.

Tandora · 22/01/2025 13:01

TheRadiatorLady · 22/01/2025 12:58

No. It's a biological fact.

Also, people with DSDs hate being used in trans arguments. The vast majority of trans people do not have DSDs, rather they try to use them as a gotcha. Do better and maybe read a book or two.

To be clear, are you denying/ saying you don’t believe this?

Whats important to understand is that , descriptively, people with DSDs have a mixture of (typically) “male” and (typically) “female” sexual characteristics due to differences in development , because “sex” is a multidimensional and complex process of development.
Many of these differences have only become visible with the invention of modern technologies. It is very possible that there are others which are still not fully understood / observed. Lots of interesting research happening into neurobiological differences.

Namechangedforgoodreasons · 22/01/2025 13:01

PicturePlace · 22/01/2025 12:55

Saying a person isn’t the opposite sex of their birth isn’t transphobic.

It absolutely is.

Why? How? It is simply an objective fact, however much the person in question might wish otherwise.

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · 22/01/2025 13:01

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AccidentallyWesAnderson · 22/01/2025 13:02

PicturePlace · 22/01/2025 12:59

What is it that makes her "unintelligent"?

Have you read Harry Potter? The bar is not high.

Your intelligence bar doesn’t seem that high either.

NDSceptic · 22/01/2025 13:02

Tandora · 22/01/2025 13:00

“Men in frocks”

is this your understanding of what it is to be trans?

No, that would be transphobic. There is clearly no requirement for a man to change anything about his appearance to be ‘trans’ and feel justified in demanding people pretend he is a woman.

Babadookinthewardrobe · 22/01/2025 13:02

PicturePlace · 22/01/2025 12:59

What is it that makes her "unintelligent"?

Have you read Harry Potter? The bar is not high.

lol. I look forward to your billion dollar book and film franchise.

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