To feel everyone is anti trans?

[Kitjo]

I'm well aware of current US views led by Trump - but are these views generally held/supported in the UK? Of course I understand opinions on NHS gender reassignment funding, as well as controversies over trans women in sport. Needless to say I'm fully aware of concerns over women's safety issues. Are there any sympathisers or supporters out there? What about trans masculine folk who are surely no threat to women's safety or sport? None of these people would choose such a hard life, socially, financially, physically, mentally, emotionally... am I alone in thinking a bit of kindness and compassion towards the trans community might be appreciated for the massive personal struggles they have to face? I am open minded to hearing and understanding your views.

Could you supply us with a definition of "trans"?

I don't think it's a useful term in that it obfuscates more than illuminates

trans masculine folk
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Stop using made up words and phrases and trying to get people to accept them as normal vocabulary.

I'm not anti trans. I also don't think it's possible to change sex.

I don't think it's an issue most people give too much thought to IRL, it's hugely built up in importance online.

It’s a massive part of the reason that Trump got his second term. It’s of huge importance in real life. Everyone I know, even my hairdresser, has brought it up and marvelled at the insanity around “Trans” ideology.

I will never show “kindness and compassion” towards a movement which so manipulatively targeted children in order to legitimise itself. No one should.

I used to take a live and let live approach until Stonewall, Mermaids and other TRA infiltrated schools, the police, the civil service, etc to effect covert, wholesale changes to women’s rights and kidnap children. Being a woman is not a feeling in a man’s head. If you want to be an approximation of me then chop your dick off, take sex hormones and live as your chosen gender.

You can't be pro-women and use that term. It's impossible.

I'm anti anything that erodes women's rights. Some trans people are attempting to do that. I also think it's quite ridiculous to say 'I feel like a woman' when there are multiple ways of feeling 'like a woman', or indeed being one. I think some people, specifically children, aren't trans even when they decide they are. It also concerns me that there are more male to female than the other way round
There, an honest reply, no hate.

I have a friend who transitioned, wears male clothes does a typically male job has a wife and family.

What I see on TV is overtly sexual woman, hair makeup clothes who are offering a different trans image.

They don’t see to shop in marks and Spencer’s or concern themselves with the cooking and cleaning - too busy preeing - it’s not reality is it?

Basically what everyone else has said - I’m totally live and let live until biological males start forcing themselves into spaces with vulnerable women (and women’s sports).

I think people can present how they want but if you are a biological male (or female) and you commit a crime - for example a hideous violent murder- that crime should be recorded into the correct sex based statistic which is sex at birth.

Women's crime statistics should not be distorted by men you are much more likely to murder than women.

You also should not be able to change the sex on your birth certificate. If a boy/girl was born then they were. You can't just alter history/reality because it suits you.

Hmm, this thread is going to go well ...

"Trans masculine folk"

What fresh hell is this?

Please explain why you think pedophilia has any relevance on a thread about trans people.

I'm not anti trans I'm pro women.

Of course I understand opinions on NHS gender reassignment funding

as well as controversies over trans women in sport

Needless to say I'm fully aware of concerns over women's safety issues

so, you are…anti “trans”? No? You are a “be kind” nice guy and other people with the exact same views are despicable bigoted Karen’s?

Nobody gaf about “transmasc” folx because the general population has no interest on giving a woman a special label because she wears grey jeans and doesn’t have nine nails painted in one colour and one in a different colour. You don’t have to conform to feminine stereotypes to be a woman and pretending you do is part of the ideology of forced gender compliance that has little boys taken for medical “treatment” based on their toy choices aged 3. It’s not benign and it’s certainly not kind.

Not what I meant- and I think you know that.
I am concerned about the safety, dignity and privacy of people with XX chromosomes.

Actual trans people - live and let live.

The erosion of women’s rights and women’s spaces - no.

The number of young people affirmed as “trans” who actually need better support to live as lesbian, or cope with an autism diagnosis - no.

I think it must be incredibly hard to feel you have been born into the wrong body. Imagine looking down and feeling nothing but disgust as you go through puberty.
I know a couple of teen/young adults who have changed gender. They have had to change schools and suffer all sorts of abuse. I don’t think most trans people label themselves on a whim or take hormone pills for the kicks as it is a very hard road to take.
That being said I do realise there are instances where the change of sex has been abused, especially in sport. There are lots of grey areas for many people but I certainly don’t hate trans people.

Well that escalated quickly!

Wear what you like. Call yourself whatever name you like. I don't care - gender stereotypes/expectations are a load of bollocks.

But don't try to access spaces for the sex that you are not, and that includes sports.

And don't try to force me to go along with the biological impossibility that humans can change sex or be born in the wrong body.

I don't think any of that is anti trans, but I am sure that OP will disagree.

Pulling back. Changes in terminology to make the whole horrible mess of “Trans” ideology more palatable. You didn’t think they’d go away quietly did you? Taking the definitive Trans “Man” and “Woman” out makes it less in your face and less to argue about - nothing wrong with a woman wearing “masculine” clothes or a man wearing “feminine” clothes - we can all agree on that can’t we? Manipulation.

Please explain how men turn into women.

Or what the definition of 'trans' is.

Or, if you prefer, what the + stands for in LGBTQIA+

Well said.

I don't think most people are anti-trans. I do think most women are specifically anti-female transgender. Transgender men (or as MN would say, women) are entirely absent from this debate which is why I can never really take it seriously. I don't believe for a second that any person on here would be comfortable with, say, Brian Michael Smith using their changing facilities or toilets which is where the whole "biology" debate falls flat on its face.

We all have our struggles. Who am I to decide whose struggles are hardest. I don’t care about trans people’s more than anyone else’s and in fact there aren’t that many trans people! So I am not anti-trans anymore than I am anti Tory.

I am pro women. Male people are not and and never will be women. Female people are not and never will be men. So neither of them should be given the spaces, places of the opposite sex. That’s my line in the sand. I can happily disagree with anyone on that. Think what you like.