To feel everyone is anti trans?

[Kitjo]

I'm well aware of current US views led by Trump - but are these views generally held/supported in the UK? Of course I understand opinions on NHS gender reassignment funding, as well as controversies over trans women in sport. Needless to say I'm fully aware of concerns over women's safety issues. Are there any sympathisers or supporters out there? What about trans masculine folk who are surely no threat to women's safety or sport? None of these people would choose such a hard life, socially, financially, physically, mentally, emotionally... am I alone in thinking a bit of kindness and compassion towards the trans community might be appreciated for the massive personal struggles they have to face? I am open minded to hearing and understanding your views.

they can enjoy that 100% Real Live Woman Experience of - not going out because there are no "appropriate" toilets for them. Aka the Urinary Leash.

Then they can be like real women were before they managed to successfully lobby for female toilets, so they could go out. They can lobby for trans women toilets, or 3rd spaces, up to them. I'll sign their petition.

But they do have toilets, they can use the men's. Unlike women who really suffered from the Urinary Leash.

But they're not identifying into the difficult areas of "womanhood" they just want the things that actual real women fought for long and hard. For many decades.

It really is.

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No one said that, so please stop making up fantasies in your mind.

A trans person can use a "family" toilet, a disabled toilet or the toilet belonging to their biological sex. That's three choices where they can "wee", as you so indelicately put it.

Actually the OP is right. Most of the world is anti trans people in womens spaces. That makes us TERFS and transphobic. Alas.

Well, try doing so then.

You've utterly failed so far.

Good example of exactly the kind of lazy prejudice we're talking about though.

What is it that makes her "unintelligent"? Can you give some examples, (with evidence, not just "what my mates say") of what she's said or arguments she's made that are unintelligent? Her views are usually backed up by facts & statistics not to mention her experiences and knowledge from having been the victim of domestic violence AND the violent threats, abuses and character smears from the supposedly "kind" anti-JKR campaign.

Whereas your silly little ad hominem has none of that, does it? Bit immature all in all. What's your definition of "intelligent?" here?

Mixed sex changing spaces like this has been found to be associated with eighteen times more sexual assaults than single sex spaces.

but @PicturePlace there's no such thing as a "trans child" and consultant psychiatrist Dr David Bell, from the controversial and now
thankfully closed Tavistock Centre in London, who worked with this, agrees:

www.lbc.co.uk/news/tavistock-clinic-whistleblower-doctors-captured-trans-ideology/

But people with DSDs are still either male or female. There are only two sexes.

@Plawp The murder and suicide rates for trans people are heartbreaking.

Trans actually have the LOWEST rates of murder than any other group. Go and check the statistics.

Fighting for rape survivors, DV victims and all women and girls to have our hard won intimate safe single sex spaces is not 'hate'. You've been brainwashed by the patriarchy.

Actually, reading the FWR forum on here has made me MORE inclined to be kind, since it's given me some idea of what trans people are up against.

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What is your definition of a trans person? I only ask as people make comments like this but in their head they have a certain person in their mind such as post surgery or someone on hormones. Other people will accept a bearded man in a dress. It is really important to know when you say you love and welcome trans people who you are talking about as you might agree with many of the people who you would consider hold the opposite view

Read the thread.

I really don't care what other people want to do to themselves or what they want to be address as. I do, however care that I don't want to be referred to as "a person who has periods" or "cis", I'm just a woman, getting on with being the person I was born as. Oh and if anyone ever has a go at me for not guessing, or forgetting/slipping up over if they want to be referred to as he, she, it, them, the teapot or whatever, they'll probably find that I just give up trying ... not because I'm bothered by their choices, just that they don't need to be a twat about it.

I just want to know what love towards trans people means exactly. It's very fuzzy.

I'm still waiting to hear the award winning argument to explain why women should have to give up their rights to men.

you can't tell me what to do, you're not my real dad!

Because the men want it duh.

I read an interesting thread on Twitter suggesting that men who are MtoF are running towards something whereas women FtoM are running away, possibly from the intense objectification of women plus freely available porn.
I'd like to see much more mental health support for people who think they can change sex. Investigation the whys and wherefores and doing something about those factors.

Most women on here : Women, particularly vulnerable women, need single sex spaces for safety and dignity. This means excluding all men no matter what their gender identity.

TRAs on here : won't you just think of the poor vulnerable men.

this boils down to Men's Rights Activism.

Women were just starting to edge towards equality so men had to make them selves #TheMostVulnerable and destroy the small steps women had made in the process.

If someone calls themself a blenkinsop or a sherbetfountain or a glumpyglomp it has no impact on me whatsoever. But if they call themself something that already has a different meaning, which entitles the user to take advantage of things designed for the use of the original owners of that descriptor, of course it changes the meaning of the word for everyone, stops it being a meaningful descriptor of members of the original group, and impacts other people.

Every transwoman on an all-women shortlist is denying a place to a woman. Every transwoman entering a female-only space is telling women they aren’t entitled to have female-only spaces.

If Rachel Dolezal were awarded a prize for "best black novelist" or similar, or given a post to represent millions of black people, wouldn't you think that was wrong?

I'm Jewish. I would object to anyone being able to call themselves a Jew just because they "felt like one". Is that unreasonable?

Saying a person isn’t the opposite sex of their birth isn’t transphobic.

It absolutely is.

Nope, I am happy for any neutral source that shows trans suicide rates are no higher than the general population.

Everything I have read on transgender issues suggests it cannot be treated - (as in it cannot be treated via mental health treatment). That said “everything I have read” is very limited given I see it as a niche issue with no impact to me but I do feel sorry for trans people.)