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That picture of the Southport killer

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User09678 · 20/01/2025 17:11

That has been circulating today.

Remember that sweet boy that was in all the reports at the time? The one who looked about nine?

Can anyone think of any other serious criminal who has pictures of them as a child out in the press?

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JHound · 20/01/2025 18:33

bookworm14 · 20/01/2025 18:31

He seems generally to have been obsessed with terrorism and murder, not Islamist terrorism specifically. If there was evidence of an Islamist motive this would have been made public, as it swiftly was with the 7/7 bombers, Manchester Arena bomber etc.

Yep - he also accessed about the IRA but weirdly nobody is calling him a member of the Irish Republican Army….

ballettap · 20/01/2025 18:34

JHound · 20/01/2025 17:34

What do you think they would possibly know about a 17 year old teen who was by all accounts a loner?

He had already been referred 3 times to the governments anti-extremist scheme.

soupfiend · 20/01/2025 18:34

Treesinthewind · 20/01/2025 17:46

To cover up the fact that the Prevent referrals system had massively failed? I can't help but think he'd have been taken more seriously as a threat if he had been Muslim.

I dont think this is true, there are lots of crimes and killings that were committed by people known to Prevent, the subject to refusing to engage with the Prevent oversight and interventions the later going on to attempt crimes and sometimes killing themselves. If you go on Prevent training and have the full presentation by your local area coordinators they'll go all through this for the county you are in

The problem is that Prevent can only go so far, Ive said my view about what hsould happen when we are worried that someone has violent asparations. The problem is with that, is that we would end up incarcerating people that really have no real plan to cause harm. Given that the vast vast majority of this type of person have a number of disorders, sometimes LD, often MH issues, it woujld be seen as 'locking up the vulnerable'.

Coldanddamp · 20/01/2025 18:34

The red flags that were caught were him googling some bombings and school massacres, aged 12-14.

I was taking about the above and exclusions, school reports, police at the house etc...

AnneShirleysNewDress · 20/01/2025 18:34

They've just announced a public inquiry.

HollyBerryz · 20/01/2025 18:35

Coldanddamp · 20/01/2025 18:32

She's been hauled into court and ordered on to parenting classes. How many serious crime parents of perpetrators, especially those accessing and having ISIS material, are treated the same?

That's a valid point, did the parents have no
idea what he was accessing on the net or reading? Surely they would have had meetings with schools/teachers, police, etc.

Apparently the father talked him out of a taxi
trip to his old school the week prior.

If I recall correctly (which I might not) wasn't that because she pissed off on holiday rather than supporting him in court rather than the fact he took part in the riots themselves?

samarrange · 20/01/2025 18:35

JHound · 20/01/2025 18:10

Yep. Black Christian commits a murder and still somehow the muslims are to blame.

The entire basis of the claim that he was a Muslim seems to be based on the fact that he had a copy of the Al Qaeda training manual. Which this white supremacist also had. Until recently you could download it from a US Army website with a .mil domain name.

Man convicted of terrorism offences after being found with 'advice on how to kill and how to maim'

Nicholas Brock's room contained "items demonstrating an interest in extreme right wing and white supremacist ideology".

https://news.sky.com/story/man-convicted-of-terrorism-offences-after-being-found-with-advice-on-how-to-kill-and-how-to-maim-12254530

Tittat50 · 20/01/2025 18:35

JHound · 20/01/2025 18:20

This guy isn’t even a muslim though.

I know!

There's all sorts of stuff over YouTube right now. It is so difficult to sift through the information presented to people.

Because of a heightened awareness of injustice ( and I really believe there was injustice for lots of reasons, including being of Islamic faith), then the public are almost triggered without taking the time to fully absorb and debate like we are doing here. There is no faith at trust in the authorities anymore. That I believe is a huge factor behind it rather than 'all Muslims are criminals '.

ballettap · 20/01/2025 18:35

ballettap · 20/01/2025 18:34

He had already been referred 3 times to the governments anti-extremist scheme.

Sorry, posted without finishing the comments!

ColinOfficeTrolley · 20/01/2025 18:35

Trikey · 20/01/2025 17:29

I'm more concerned with who decided to have that trial today to hide it against the inauguration of Trump,
And what the Prime Minister and Home Secretary knew about this evil person, when they knew it and what they decided to tell the public.

Why don't you step away from tiktok for a bit. Just an idea.

WeCantGoOverIt · 20/01/2025 18:36

It was not terror related. For it to be terror related there has to be motive. Why is that hard to understand?

Why then did he plead guilty to two terror charges too?

whengodwasarabbit1 · 20/01/2025 18:37

The reith lectures last year were about violence, really eye opening to gain insight into the mentality of these perpetrators.
Those poor girls, they should have grown into young women, such a senseless waste of lives.

BRL2 · 20/01/2025 18:37

JHound · 20/01/2025 18:30

Why do you think a guilty plea means no MH issues?

Do you think his behaviour since 13 describes a teenager of sound mind?

Edited

I think people are surprised about diminished responsibility not being introduced as a defence.

Whippetlovely · 20/01/2025 18:38

BlueSilverCats · 20/01/2025 18:27

There won't be a trial. He pleaded guilty.

I do apologise, I heard the news this morning saying he will plead not guilty and didn't see the updates he changed his plea unexpectedly.

JHound · 20/01/2025 18:38

BRL2 · 20/01/2025 18:37

I think people are surprised about diminished responsibility not being introduced as a defence.

Not really - if he made a decision to plead guilty. Nothing the defence team can do about that.

Coldanddamp · 20/01/2025 18:38

Yep - he also accessed about the IRA but weirdly nobody is calling him a member of the Irish Republican Army….

Not really

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 20/01/2025 18:38

PandoraSox · 20/01/2025 18:06

If he hadn't pleaded guilty unexpectedly, the trial would have lasted for weeks. The inauguration is one day.

People really are thick, aren't they?

Yes, and they can all vote.

steff13 · 20/01/2025 18:38

Tmpnamenb · 20/01/2025 17:30

The photo that's been released now seems deliberately scary.

Is it not just his booking photo? That's what they usually share in the United States I don't know about there.

Finallydoingit24 · 20/01/2025 18:38

DreadPirateRobots · 20/01/2025 17:26

You think the press are in the business of generating sympathy for people of colour who have murdered children?

It was probably the only/most recent picture in the public domain when they were writing their original stories.

This

WeCantGoOverIt · 20/01/2025 18:39

JHound · 20/01/2025 18:30

Why do you think a guilty plea means no MH issues?

Do you think his behaviour since 13 describes a teenager of sound mind?

Edited

Do you think dangerous people not of sound mind are sent to prison or sent to secure mental hospitals? Do you think they can be found guilty of a crime if they are recognised not to be of sound mind? Of course not.

EasternStandard · 20/01/2025 18:39

Not really - if he made a decision to plead guilty. Nothing the defence team can do about that.

Any views on his MH are just speculation

Coldanddamp · 20/01/2025 18:39

I think people are surprised about diminished responsibility not being introduced as a defence.

Yes, usually someone would plead not guilty if mental health was to be used in the defence.

soupfiend · 20/01/2025 18:39

JHound · 20/01/2025 17:51

I agree with this - there needs to be some culpability for parents. What action was taken by them (obviously there is only so much they can do but they need to demonstrate what they did.)

Theres thread after thread after thread on this website with parents of disabled/LD and ND children on their knees being attacked by them day in and day out. Seeking support for specialist placements, specialist intervention and specialist schools. Nothing available.

If a child is simply badly brought up, that is one thing but this young person is clearly not well, not wired right you might say, he has a number of conditions which has led him to be focussed and obsessed with violence and killing. No amount of parenting is going to change that for him

NoSoupForU · 20/01/2025 18:40

This post is in incredibly poor taste.

The trial date was set before Trump's inauguration date was set. That he pled guilty at a pretrial hearing was unexpected. There really isn’t a full presence in court for such hearings because they're something of a nothing.
No conspiracy there.

Mug shots aren't released until guilt is proven precisely because they're photographs taken of people in situations of extreme stress so typically they won't exactly look tip top.

The picture that was circulated at the time was taken from social media. It was a group photo taken in school. By all accounts his family didn't really use social media so there wasn't really anything else for the media to find and use.

He isn't an Islamic extremist. He isn't even Muslim. He's a black Christian.

People did notice the red flags. He was referred to Prevent multiple times because of his fixation with violence. By all accounts there was involvement from the authorities at various points preceeding his crime too. There is absolutely no suggestion whatsoever that his home was anything other than stable and loving. His elder brother thrived, was seemingly a very intelligent high achiever who was popular at school.

Whether he has mental health issues I do not know. I'd assume his behaviour isn't exactly indicative of somebody mentally well, but I'm not an expert.

And as for the riots, there is no excuse for the violence portrayed by people who did not know or understand the facts, but merely used it as a vehicle to push their agenda against foreign people and those with brown skin.

ZeldaFighter · 20/01/2025 18:40

I watched a video of the perpetrator made for Children in Need. My shock was that someone who was picked to be in a charity video could do something so appalling.

I would like to know what lessons can be learnt. I don't think the perpetrator should ever be released from prison.

My thoughts are mainly with the families of the poor little girls. RIP.

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