Page 39 | That picture of the Southport killer

User09678 · 2025-01-20T17:11:20+00:00

That has been circulating today. Remember that sweet boy that was in all the reports at the time? The one who looked about nine? Can anyone think of any other serious criminal who has pictures of them as a child out in the press?

Ilikeanicecupofteainthemorning · 21/01/2025 12:07

very true
even from the pov of a conspiracy thinker I fail to see what the motive would be in 'only' releasing the photo of him as a child- it makes zero difference to what he did and how the trial would go

EasternStandard · 21/01/2025 12:08

ERthree · 21/01/2025 11:58

Bebe King, Elsie Dot and Alice Desilva Aguiar murdered, 8 other children and 2 adults with stab injuries, a dozen other children with life long trauma and we have 38 pages of people moaning about a photo of a deranged evil little bastard or complaining about the date. Why does it matter what photo was used or what bloody date the trail was due to begin. What we need to be talking about is how the hell we deal with these kids at school. I am not talking about the little sods that are just trouble makers, i am talking about the kids that all the adults involved in their life know that this is a serious threat. We have become so scared of telling the truth, so scared of cold hard facts that we hide, this being the reason we allowed so many Pakistani men to rape so many young girls. It is time to protect all of our society and that includes the ones that are evil. We failed this evil young man and we really failed those little girls. It is high time secure units were brought back for the insane.

I understand the strong feelings. It is an absolutely horrific crime. Had the full facts been known we may well have seen the same response with riots

He has not pled an insanity plea though so the criteria doesn't appear to be there for locking up as insane

Clavinova · 21/01/2025 12:09

BRL2 · 21/01/2025 11:51

If you think every single person at Liverpool Crown Court who was responsible for listing this trial was involved in a cover-up, you are crazy.

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My first post (last night) was to counter the claim that the trial date was set before the inauguration date - the other poster was clearly incorrect. Then I linked to a notice from the Attorney General which states that the trial commences on the 20th January 2025, not the 21st as stated by several posters. Then I recalled that the news of terror charges coincided with the Budget - it's not 'crazy' to point out inaccuracies and coincidences.

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User09678 · 21/01/2025 12:09

PeppyGreenFinch · 21/01/2025 11:11

You think the media colluded to keep his picture out? The Guardian colluded with Daily Mail?

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Don't be so disingenuous, do you think last summers riots were a national security issue? Yes? Then don't you think the government gets to set certain narratives in order to prevent harm?

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BRL2 · 21/01/2025 12:10

augustusglupe · 21/01/2025 12:00

Very true, well said.

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lol. You are the person who started this conversation about the photos. Personally I think it’s very important to debunk your crackpot theories.

BRL2 · 21/01/2025 12:12

Clavinova · 21/01/2025 12:09

My first post (last night) was to counter the claim that the trial date was set before the inauguration date - the other poster was clearly incorrect. Then I linked to a notice from the Attorney General which states that the trial commences on the 20th January 2025, not the 21st as stated by several posters. Then I recalled that the news of terror charges coincided with the Budget - it's not 'crazy' to point out inaccuracies and coincidences.

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I’m sorry but it is completely crazy to point this out. It simply wouldn’t matter to anyone involved in the trial what date it starts. All that matters is that everybody is ready.

Clavinova · 21/01/2025 12:16

BRL2
I’m sorry but it is completely crazy to point this out. It simply wouldn’t matter to anyone involved in the trial what date it starts.

It obviously matters to some people on this thread - I was replying to posts on that very topic.

TooBigForMyBoots · 21/01/2025 12:16

augustusglupe · 21/01/2025 11:35

Yes I get that the actual mugshot couldn’t be released.
What a surprise that only a picture of an innocent schoolboy was available for print.
We don’t for a fact know whether there was a cover up or not.

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What happened in this case is that the law was adhered to at every step. What kind of cover up do you think happened? Who do you think was part of the cover-up? What was the intention behind the cover-up?

augustusglupe · 21/01/2025 12:17

BRL2 · 21/01/2025 12:10

lol. You are the person who started this conversation about the photos. Personally I think it’s very important to debunk your crackpot theories.

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I’ve commented twice in a very long thread.
I still think there are inconsistencies, but agreed with your post.
No need for the Lol 🤷🏻‍♀️

crumblingschools · 21/01/2025 12:18

If there had been no plea or a not guilty plea (which has the same result) what do you think we would have missed in the trial hearing yesterday, with it being timed on the same day as the inauguration? All the details we are now hearing would not have been disclosed, we wouldn't have seen the mugshot etc.

And in fact, as he pleaded guilty all the rolling news I saw in the morning was about him, Trump didn't really figure until the afternoon

BRL2 · 21/01/2025 12:19

EasternStandard · 21/01/2025 12:08

I understand the strong feelings. It is an absolutely horrific crime. Had the full facts been known we may well have seen the same response with riots

He has not pled an insanity plea though so the criteria doesn't appear to be there for locking up as insane

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Not necessarily. My best guess is whilst this may have been the way the defence team were planning to go (diminished responsibility) he failed to engage and decided on a whim to enter guilty pleas. This seems to tally with how the pleas took everyone by surprise yesterday. So basically he may have been able to establish this but instructed his team to go in another direction. In these circumstances there wouldn’t be a lot anyone could really do.

Clavinova · 21/01/2025 12:19

TooBigForMyBoots
He went to Catholic school.

Primary school? The senior school he was expelled from doesn't appear to be Catholic.

BRL2 · 21/01/2025 12:23

augustusglupe · 21/01/2025 12:17

I’ve commented twice in a very long thread.
I still think there are inconsistencies, but agreed with your post.
No need for the Lol 🤷🏻‍♀️

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I’m sorry but there is every reason for the lol when it comes to views like yours. Some of the brightest and the best solicitors and barristers are involved in this trial. They are people of the highest integrity. I dare you to say to their faces they are involved in a cover up over the slaughter of three children. Of course you wouldn’t dare. Much easier to type these things thoughtlessly and put them on social media.

EasternStandard · 21/01/2025 12:24

BRL2 · 21/01/2025 12:19

Not necessarily. My best guess is whilst this may have been the way the defence team were planning to go (diminished responsibility) he failed to engage and decided on a whim to enter guilty pleas. This seems to tally with how the pleas took everyone by surprise yesterday. So basically he may have been able to establish this but instructed his team to go in another direction. In these circumstances there wouldn’t be a lot anyone could really do.

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Now this is speculation

No one on this thread can know, given they are not on the defence team

BRL2 · 21/01/2025 12:29

EasternStandard · 21/01/2025 12:24

Now this is speculation

No one on this thread can know, given they are not on the defence team

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Of course it’s speculation. Hence the phrase ‘my best guess.’ I thought that would be clear?

EasternStandard · 21/01/2025 12:31

Why speculate?

Posters seem keen to stop others doing so but then make full on claims about the defence team

Alexandra2001 · 21/01/2025 12:31

EasternStandard · 21/01/2025 12:24

Now this is speculation

No one on this thread can know, given they are not on the defence team

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Its very obvious... he didn't engage with his defence team, hence none of the victims families in court, which the judge has apologised for.

No one expected this, had they known, there wouldn't had been the apology or the surprise from both prosecution and defence teams.

You don't need to be John Deed to figure that out.

TorroFerney · 21/01/2025 12:33

PandoraSox · 20/01/2025 17:38

What are you talking about?

What do you think they knew other than the terrible crimes he committed and the fact that there were red flags all over the place about this young man for a long time and the system failed to do anything?

If you want to politicise this and try to point the finger at PMs and Home Secretaries you should be pointing at the previous administrations under which the system failed to act.

The courts would have set the day btw.

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Exactly, what cases should be heard on the sane day as his inauguration? Rape? Robbery? The court backlog is bad as it is, you can’t cancel court days because of other stuff, there’s always other stuff going on.

augustusglupe · 21/01/2025 12:33

BRL2 · 21/01/2025 12:23

I’m sorry but there is every reason for the lol when it comes to views like yours. Some of the brightest and the best solicitors and barristers are involved in this trial. They are people of the highest integrity. I dare you to say to their faces they are involved in a cover up over the slaughter of three children. Of course you wouldn’t dare. Much easier to type these things thoughtlessly and put them on social media.

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Well I couldn’t say I thought there was a cover up because I didn’t say that and how would I know anyway.
Mumsnet is a forum for people to express their views.
We’ve all heard yours loud and clear.

Alexandra2001 · 21/01/2025 12:33

EasternStandard · 21/01/2025 09:48

We’ll see, public inquiries are often used to kick cans down the road rather than make changes now.

Plus what people really want is for there not to actually be this terror, and that would take something I doubt will happen. So all it takes is another event and it’s just seen to be words.

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Yet on Rotherham, you called for a Public inquiry across several threads..... i guess you've change your opinion on them, thats good.

EasternStandard · 21/01/2025 12:33

Good try.

There's no basis for the previous claim as much as law eagles claim they have extra knowledge

None whatsoever

BRL2 · 21/01/2025 12:37

Like I said @EasternStandard it’s just a guess. I just thought your statement of fact that because he entered a guilty plea of murder meant he didn’t cross the threshold for diminished responsibility needed qualifying.

NoSoupForU · 21/01/2025 12:39

augustusglupe · 21/01/2025 11:16

Keir gaslighting us all in the press conference…

We are all well aware Keir, that no details could be released before the trial. But an up to date, realistic picture of the attacker could’ve been.

What picture should have been released? The police don't release any images until guilt has been proven, and rightly so.

The media will take information which is in the public domain and report on it where permitted. If there's so many pictures of him that were out there in the public domain, where are they now?

Inmydreams88 · 21/01/2025 12:39

Clearly that’s the only picture the press had of him at that time though?

Come on, you know the daily mail would have eaten up that crazed mugshot picture given half the chance. Likely not allowed to publish it at the time.

NoSoupForU · 21/01/2025 12:41

Clavinova · 21/01/2025 11:27

Of course it was known when the inauguration was going to take place;

Inauguration Day occurs every four years on January 20 (or January 21 if January 20 falls on a Sunday). The inauguration ceremony takes place at the U.S. Capitol building in Washington, DC. The next presidential inauguration is scheduled to be on January 20, 2029.

https://www.usa.gov/inauguration#:~:text=Inauguration%20Day%20occurs%20every%20four,be%20on%20January%2020%2C%202029.

And that's aside from the fact the trial was set to start on 21st January.

The criminal trial commences on 20 January 2025 at Liverpool Crown Court and is expected to last from four to six weeks.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/media-advisory-notice-trial-of-axel-rudakubana

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Day 1 is pre-trial. It isn't the same format as the rest of the trial. It's underpinning the formalities. Confirming the plea, swearing in the jury, giving an overview of the process etc. Had he not pled guilty, there would have been nothing to report.

The actual trial begins on day 2.