That picture of the Southport killer

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That has been circulating today.

Remember that sweet boy that was in all the reports at the time? The one who looked about nine?

Can anyone think of any other serious criminal who has pictures of them as a child out in the press?

Yep. He doesn’t look at all well in the older pictures.

I should have said this!

I don't think the press is favourable in how it represents people who murder children regardless of the colour of their skin

People on this thread that don't think this was terror related are blind. They found terrorist documents in his house alongside ricin. He was referred to prevent. I couldn't give a shit if he was white black or brown call a spade a spade and stop with the bullshit apologists. Hopefully the full truth will finally be revealed during the trial because it's been handled terribly so far and it's incredibly insulting to those little girls and their parents.

And I can tell you what CAMHS would have done with all that information, probably, but not definitely offered some sort of group work. They might at the very very most offered psychotherapy and then when he wouldnt or couldnt engage, closed his case due to non engagement

Whether people like it or not, when people exhibit this sort of behaviour, we as a society need to say that we want to take more draconian measures of placing people away from society. However i can tell you that wont sit well with the majority of society, particularly when it concerns children/teens

I think understanding motive us important to understand what could have been done. It does appear that enough was known about his obsession with violence and death but that current processes in place were insufficient to prevent this from occurring.

I agree, understanding motives can be important. I simply said I wasn't interested in arguing about his motives on the thread.

And I'm glad you agree that it's shocking that current systems are insufficient for dealing with this type of threat regardless of the motive. I was trying to make that point a few posts back 😁

At a minimum the fact he was not referred to mental health services seems bonkers to me (or maybe he was I don’t know)

Presumably he was but I would have thought there was a hierarchy of need but perhaps not.

He's pleaded guilty so it may not be uncovered

The trial was meant to go on for four weeks. He wasn’t expected to change his plea to guilty so it would have been in the news for a month. ‘hide it against the inauguration’ get a grip.

Well in the case of the 13 year old who stupidly joined the riots, his Mother got a lot of flack, on here and across all media. She's been hauled into court and ordered on to parenting classes. How many serious crime parents of perpetrators, especially those accessing and having ISIS material, are treated the same? The Welsh boy's parents certainly have been allowed to fly under the radar.

What terrorist ideology do you think he was following?

Whether people like it or not, when people exhibit this sort of behaviour, we as a society need to say that we want to take more draconian measures of placing people away from society. However i can tell you that wont sit well with the majority of society, particularly when it concerns children/teens

Good point

There won't be a trial. He pleaded guilty.

....I know, right? I mean, it's difficult to understand how any murders happen at all when we can all see that crazed but also somehow blank expression. The expression is, like, so crazed but also, like, so blank, somehow. When you think about it, there ought to be some kind of police thing to look at everyone's school photos every year, in order to spot the crazed but also somehow blank expressions. This could cut violent crime to almost zero. Actually, you might want to volunteer for the CBASBE Squad. You obviously have a talent for it.

The red flags that were caught were him googling some bombings and school massacres, aged 12-14. And rightly that does not meet the threshold of special interventions from Prevent.

The real issue is mental health support, or lack thereof, from what I can work out, for children exhibiting an interest in violence.

He pled guilty. Why are you bringing up MH? If his mental health had been an issue then he would have pled not guilty or guilty to a manslaughter charge only.

It was not terror related. For it to be terror related there has to be motive. Why is that hard to understand?

Yes he had an Al Qaeda manual which is an offence under the law. But he had also accessed information about the IRA.

There is no evidence he was aligned with either the IRA nor Al Qaeda.

He was referred to prevent because of his obsession with death and violence but due to complete lack of terror ideology Prevent deemed it was not part of their remit.

And keep up - there is not going to be a trial. He pled guilty today.

What do you think his motive was? Apart from murdering people. What was his ideology?

Why do you think a guilty plea means no MH issues?

Do you think his behaviour since 13 describes a teenager of sound mind?

Has his plea changed in the last 24 hours then becuase this morning it was a plea of not guilty

He seems generally to have been obsessed with terrorism and murder, not Islamist terrorism specifically. If there was evidence of an Islamist motive this would have been made public, as it swiftly was with the 7/7 bombers, Manchester Arena bomber etc.

news.sky.com/story/amp/southport-attacker-axel-rudakubana-pleads-guilty-to-murdering-three-girls-at-dance-class-13292813

Yes, there was a request to reread charges and he pleaded guilty to all charges

I knew someone would say this. Give it a rest can't you? It's a tragedy.

She's been hauled into court and ordered on to parenting classes. How many serious crime parents of perpetrators, especially those accessing and having ISIS material, are treated the same?

That's a valid point, did the parents have no
idea what he was accessing on the net or reading? Surely they would have had meetings with schools/teachers, police, etc.

Apparently the father talked him out of a taxi
trip to his old school the week prior.

@WeCantGoOverIt I don't think that's the case. Unless he was in psychosis his MH is likely pretty irrelevant to his plea. However if he wasnt given appropriate MH support when he needed it years ago then clearly things escalated to, well, this!