That picture of the Southport killer

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That has been circulating today.

Remember that sweet boy that was in all the reports at the time? The one who looked about nine?

Can anyone think of any other serious criminal who has pictures of them as a child out in the press?

Well you don't know, as a guess it's just more stuff people try to put forward without evidence.

In any case without that plea he still won't end up in the facility the pp wants for him

I said from the very start that was a guess @EasternStandard I don’t know how many times you need to me repeat it.

However @EasternStandard it isn’t a guess to say there are some circumstances where this sort of situation could occur. Counsel have to act on instructions.

Why bother? It's not verifiable in any way and just adds to speculation and misinformation

I hope if anything comes from the enquiry it is that people who show this level of violence in their life ( apparently the social workers requested police protection when they visited him) they should not be free to walk the streets but in secure hospitals/ places .or is there a better way? The deaths of these girls and the Nottingham killers victims would have been prevented.

I don't think it's the most hideous picture I've seen of anyone I've got tbh. I've seen much more deranged scary looking mugshots of myself tbh.

Having gone through this thread and come to this point - all I can focus on is the fact there's a massive gap in the MHealth services for young people and the support for the parents dealing with it.

The service has been utterly destroyed over the last 15 or so years. Even redefining terrorism - maybe that might have helped. But where would he have gone if he was flagged - because I'll imagine where he lived there was no Tier 3 provision. Did he actually get assessed as Autistic. I'm going out there to say I'm sure he was from what I read but it's a nightmare for parents trying to get their kids assessed. Thread after thread on here about this problem. MHealth problems threads, no help anywhere.

This to me is the most important part of this whole saga and not many people are talking about it.

I'm no fan of Starmer but this problem was not caused by him.

I actually feel for this guy's parents. I wonder what they were dealing with.

• I'm not talking about a mugshot, just not a picture so misleading that it would make a volatile public believe it was deliberate.

Lucy Letbys pictures were out long before her trial, they didn't use one of her when she was 7 or 8 years younger www.chesterstandard.co.uk/news/16332233.home-searched-baby-murder-arrest-belongs-chester-childrens-nurse/*

There's a difference between an adult with plenty of pictures readily /publicly available and a child(in the eyes of the law) with so SM presence. Can you really not see the difference?

PandoraSox
Many people in the UK aren't interested in US politics, so hardly a good day to buru bad news.

The inauguration of Donald Trump and the beginning of his second term as US president leads many of the papers.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn57xelwxk1o

I felt I had to explain the misinformation you had stated. It may help other people to understand the issues.

I felt I had to explain the misinformation you had stated. It may help other people to understand the issues.

By making a best guess as you did? Without any evidence whatsoever

You are just replacing some speculation with your own. So no it's not about helping with the issues.

@Clavinova the news yesterday morning was all about the trial, once he had pleaded guilty. Obviously, if that hadn't happened it would just have been the formalities so nothing to report, so nothing hidden. Press conference this morning.

And lets face it, most of the comments about the inauguration on SM are about Musk

Ok.

And the fact that is known is he did not plead anything other than guilty

So pp diverging from that really are adding to misinformation

The judge told him: "Your trial will now take place on 20 January and you will be transferred from where you are now to a more convenient place for the purposes of attending this court."

https://news.sky.com/story/not-guilty-pleas-entered-for-southport-stabbings-suspect-axel-rudakubana-after-he-refuses-to-speak-13271371

Well we are going to find out I. Thursday as the sentencing submissions will include psychiatric reports. He doesn't have to be "insane" legally to have serious personality disorder. Even then, it means prison. A lot of murderers will have such disorders. All speculation, but the long preoccupation from 13 onwards is suggestive. Autism, not so much

None of what is said at sentencing is evidence he requested a plea change as put forward by the pp

And it's still not anything bar prison. So no not the insane asylum as asked for by pp.

If people want facts then go for it, but not just sometimes.

@Clavinova I know you are a fan of posting links to things (saw enough of them on the education threads during the pandemic) and actually ignoring the things that people are actually saying but can you answer would you be posting all these if this had happened whilst your beloved Tories were in charge?

The fact that the swearing in of jury would have taken place on 20th what exactly do you think was being hidden?

I am sitting on my hands now.

actually ignoring the things that people are actually saying

I am mostly pointing out inaccuracies in what people are saying.

Perhaps you can answer the school question then - which Catholic school did Rudakubana attend? The other poster hasn't replied.

I was wondering where the idea came from that it wasn't a top story

Goodo @BRL2

Exactly. The claims of the civil service and courts being involved in a cover are so disrespectful to everyone’s integrity.

I don’t understand what it is about that photo that’s caused this thread

That is because you are not a conspiracy theorist!

Bye

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