That picture of the Southport killer

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That has been circulating today.

Remember that sweet boy that was in all the reports at the time? The one who looked about nine?

Can anyone think of any other serious criminal who has pictures of them as a child out in the press?

I'm more than aware of that, Thegoat.

I honestly think it's important to just pause on this and accept that this was one element of his interest and his proclavity or interest in violence across the board was the issue. More pertinent is why was this the case? Why was this kid drawn to extreme violence.

A poster asked what other ideologies I refer to in the case here. I actually can't find it and can't recall where I read he was interested in Nazi ideology and more. If I find it I will reference it. I agree it's important we don't omit important information when this was brought to my attention.

( Yes I made a boo boo by describing him as an Islamic extremist follower without the full facts. Additional information was omitted in the news report I read. I can still believe he may have been such but I can believe he followed a multitude of extreme ideologies because of additional factors that I believe will come to light ).

@PandoraSox

"Also take note that a poster who persistently claimed that Rudakubana is an Islamic extremist has been booted off the site."

There is no definitive evidence in his religion either way so I can understand why that poster was kicked off this thread.

But another poster has claimed he was Christian and has managed to stay on this thread. Is this because making false or anti Christian comments is more acceptable ?

Thank you for beautifully illustrating my earlier point.

@1dayatatime this is a very pertinent point and feeds into my issue with this religious shite full stop.

How confident are you in your belief that the poster who was kicked off was removed because she said he was an Islamic extremist?

Other people have said he was an Islamic extremist but they are still here.

Do you think there might be another reason, that we don't know about, that led to that poster being removed?

Do you think that poster was removed because she said he was an Islamic extremist?

After all, other posters have said he was an Islamic extremist but they are still here.

I think the BBC mentioned his interest in Ghengis Khan, Hitler and the IRA. I’ve also seen something somewhere about an obsession with genocides. Possibly with the Times or the Guardian.

She was being offensive to individual posters too, tbf. So maybe she got the boot for that. But the poster who reported her seemed to think she was banned for Islamophobia.

Ah. And I have to now confess I don't fully appreciate what went down there 🤦😬.

Am I just conversing with bots all day on here like some idiot 😆

Yes, and my point is, if we do nothing about younger children who demonstrate dangerous behaviour, we end up with situations like this young man. Ignoring it because of their age does not help in any way.

@cakeorwine

"Do you think that poster was removed because she said he was an Islamic extremist?"

I have no idea because the posts were removed.

Possibly, but it passes the time if you are bored. 😁

100%!

@PandoraSox

"But the poster who reported her seemed to think she was banned for Islamophobia."

And then went on to falsely state he was Christian!

Just quoting this now so people can see what went on with the banned poster.

Extremism. He'd slready been referred to prevent.

I'd say there were other much more significant factors that contributed towards him having a proclivity towards extreme ideologies and violence.

I am going to research exactly what PREVENT can and does do because I'd say this was way beyond their remit.

He was referred to Prevent but was "deemed not to be motivated by a terrorist ideology or pose a terrorist danger and was therefore not considered suitable for the counter-radicalisation scheme"

Whether that was a failing or not by Prevent will hopefully be looked at by the public inquiry.

Do you know you have access to a dictionary on the very device you're posting from?

dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/islamophobia

His parents are Christian.
He went to Catholic school.
He didn't attend a mosque.
He was not a Muslim.
The Al-Qaeda manual was one of a number of documents/ manuals, spanning the political spectrum, promoting violence.

@TooBigForMyBoots . I am happy to raise my awareness. I don't see many doing this on here or in life in general, so maybe reserve the PA for those who might deserve such.

So in asking for clarification, I believe many posters, including myself, will be seeking clarification regards ones interpretation or understanding of what they mean when they call someone this. I'd say you already know that. I believe it is oftentimes applied incorrectly.

I believe the understanding of what it is to be Islamaphobic will be different for different people. I believe being a racist and being called a racist will also be informed, by some, by an understanding or belief that falls out of the dictionary definition. For example, believing a dark skinned individual is a Muslim in a news story that cites an ideology based in extreme Islam. Is that racism or Islamophobia or is that because in that particular case that individual did not have all the facts. These things are all nuanced and it's important to seek absolute clarity when discussing this topic, rightly so.

Absolutely agree. I can think of a multitude of issues we have right now that feed into this and it has nothing to do with religion. I could go on all day and would definitely start ranting if I even begin on that one 🤦.

NoSoupForU
The trial date was set before Trump's inauguration date was set.

Looking at this list of US Presidents, Inauguration Day has been 20 January for decades;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidents_of_the_United_States

Going back to the reference to Islamaphobia and it's definition. What exactly is ' unreasonable dislike'. and what are the consequences of expressing a dislike that is deemed unreasonable. Who determines what is unreasonable.

Do we have Christian phobia?

Yes I will go research this all myself now.