That picture of the Southport killer

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That has been circulating today.

Remember that sweet boy that was in all the reports at the time? The one who looked about nine?

Can anyone think of any other serious criminal who has pictures of them as a child out in the press?

Would it suit your beliefs if he was an Islamic terrorist?

What would you think if it turned out he was just someone who had an obsession with violence, with genocide, who watched graphic murders on the computer and who decided to murder little girls at a dance class but was not motivated by terrorism?

Is it "easier" to think he was an Islamic terrorist rather than there being something else going on?

Nope.

I am talking about earlier where you shared a conspiracy theory popular among far-right accounts on x dot com alleging that a senior UK politician acting as a lawyer helped the Rudakabana family settle in the UK.

And you said that the “facts” were there if you “did your own research”.

So let’s go, evidence this serious allegation you are parrotting here.

Yes. This is key, along with any diagnosis of a psychiatric disorder that was not officially done to avoid a stigma. The reality is that he should not have been in his home. He was a dangerous individual. There seem to be two possibilities;

1. state services pushed hjm into the care of his family owing to lack of resource and no actual offending

2. the family said they would care for him and downplayed the danger he represented. The idea his father persuaded him not to leave the house with a knife is very concerning

No. But we get to say we’ve had an inquiry.

It's pretty obvious that 'research' to you means scrolling throught twitter.

"Viral social media rumours claiming that Sir Keir Starmer represented the father of Southport suspect Axel Rudakubana in an asylum case are untrue, Downing Street said today.
The claims were yesterday circulated widely on X, formerly known as Twitter, by users who were citing them as evidence of an alleged cover-up over the true circumstances of the Southport stabbings in which three girls aged six to nine died.
But a Downing Street spokesperson today confirmed that the Prime Minister had not represented Rudakubana’s father in 2003."

And this from a right wing newspaper that I'm sure would've preferred to report the opposite.

Ideally, yes. Because he has a background full of red flags, and various agencies involved throughout the years.

I said as much earlier, the horrible reality is that with people like this the only way of preventing something like this is to have a system which locks up people as a prevenative. There isnt the appetite for that

Yet when something like this happens there are post after post asking why something wasnt done, but theres no concept within the question of what that something might be? What is it people think would have stopped this and if its locking people up without cause then we have to take that on the chin as a society and think that it might be your child that happens to

Im the first in the queue to criticise CAMHS but what would they have done, how do you provide therapy to someone that is not likely to recognise their behaviour or want to change it or want to engage? You cant force therapy on someone it doesnt work like that. So are we talking forcible medication and so what kind, a sedative so he walks around drugged? An anti psychotic? Who forces it on him a nurse who visits every day? His mum? How do you restrain him? What if he then says the person restraining him assaulted him, then they are suspended, then round and round it goes and you cant find someone willing to do that role because he is too 'high risk'.

Sadly it won't change anything. Lessons are never learned. ''Thoughts and prayers''...until the next atrocity.

This will blow your mind. Two far right white men downloaded the same Al Qaeda training manual and then threatened Muslims and damaged a mosque.

Are you saying these men were Muslim too?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-23813458.amp

It's interesting to see how people react when information that contradicts a view they have formed is presented to people.

How do you know that? How do you know it was racially motivated?

Agree. I'm keen to learn exactly what happened along the way regards highlighting, flagging and if it happened, requesting support for his mental health issues / conditions/ any other conditions.

( Yes I know I need to find evidence. I'll eat my hat if he wasn't suspected at least of significant MH issues based on his totally fucked behaviour).

It's frightening to think that you have the right to vote.

Only a trial would give the level of detail on many of these questions

Can you?

Do you always just go on the evidence you have been given to you to form your view?

I dont understand your point 1 - are you suggesting that if he was in care with the LA then somehow this wouldtn have happened?

And surely its a positive thing that his father prevented him going out with a knife?

Are you sure? That’s not what I’ve heard.

This is key, along with any diagnosis of a psychiatric disorder that was not officially done to avoid a stigma.

This is not known

@lemmein @soupfiend totally agree. There are huge failings and I'm happy to highlight that. But there are tricky situations where you can't really do much until the shit hits the fan.

Sure. So where’s your research on your allegation that a senior UK politician acting as a lawyer helped bring the Rudakubana family to the UK ?

Your allegation, very popular topic for far-right accounts on x dot com.

Let’s have it: your next post contains the evidence, right ?

Where have you heard he was? Could you link please?

Stop making excuses for the bastard!
It should be dangling from a noose.

There are lots of comments and links on this thread to help you see how people have reached different conclusions.