That picture of the Southport killer

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That has been circulating today.

Remember that sweet boy that was in all the reports at the time? The one who looked about nine?

Can anyone think of any other serious criminal who has pictures of them as a child out in the press?

The “al Qaida terrorist book” is available in British bookshops. Are you telling me only
certain religions buy it ? The meta-study was conducted by a Christian US air force surgeon !

And sorry, racism isn’t “boring”, it’s grotesque - and so is using semantic bullshit like this to try to excuse your vile prejudices. That might work among other far-right twats on X dot com but not here.

Do you remember the Soho bombings?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_London_nail_bombings

A Neo Nazi targeted the LGBT community and the Black community.

He was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia and a personality disorder.

He was not an immigrant so that’s thoroughly irrelevant to the discussion.

@JHound except for the colour of the girls skin. Again, if a white man had done this to 3 black girls would you be saying ‘he’s not racist’. I highly doubt it. You’re naive if you think this wasn’t about racial extremism.

UK wide. There was an interview with MI5 boss about it on BBC last autumn.
Also a rise in just this type of crime. Young people with no particular ideology but a dangerous fascination with violence and killing. I find that really really disturbing. Why is this on the rise? Violent gaming? Online real violence (like beheadings and so on). It scares me that people are tapping into this and ultr violence is becoming a thing in itself. Seems to be the case for Axel and for the teens who killed Brianna.

The fact the girls were white and he was not does not make it racially motivated. No, if a white man had attacked a young girls dance studio where the victims were black it would not be seen as racist without motive.

You are projecting your own racism onto others.

I haven't speculated on his diagnosis.

People have said he didn't have a mental health issue. But they haven't said how they know that..

Welsh choir boy? He wasn't in any choirs.

Why would the "Establishment" cover this up if it was an Islamist terrorism attack? Why this and not all the other attacks?

People were arguing islamic terrorism the minute they heard he was not white.

I heard it and assumed it was a terror attack. Like I said it fits the MO, I don't think it's a massive reach.

He also accessed information on Al Qaeda and the IRA. We know he was a Christian because we have evidence of that. Why do you think him accessing a manual from a terror organisation negates that? Did he have a Qu’ran?

I absolutely cannot agree with you there. It would definitely be framed as a racist attack without a doubt. Racism would be assumed to be the motive unless it was extremely clear that there was another overriding one. But even then it would be racism plus the other thing, whatever that might be.

The only one frothing at the mouth is you. Your posts are sounding increasingly unhinged and you sound completely impervious to actual facts preferring to believe in your feelings.

When you assumed it was an Islamist terror attack, did you post about it being an Islamic attack or did you wait until it had been confirmed as an Islamic terror attack?

I can see how you could jump to that conclusion but there are also other conclusions that could have been drawn - and one of things I've learnt is not to jump to conclusions until I have seen reliable evidence that either supports or negates that conclusion.

Interesting history from the Guardian:

Rudakubana had a closer connection to genocide than most other British youths: his father, Alphonse, is thought to have fought with the Rwandan Patriotic Army (RPA), an armed force that battled the Hutu-dominated regime in Rwanda and eventually brought an end to the mass ethnic killings of 1994.

Reports differ about Rudakubana’s paternal grandfather, Dr Rudakubana, who some say was a high-ranking official in the administration of President Juvénal Habyarimana, the Hutu president whose death in 1994 when his plane was shot out of the sky triggered the genocide. Others insist that Dr Rudakubana was one of the founder members of the RPF.

People rioted saying he was an asylum seeker. An incorrect name was posted over social media and people rioted on the basis of that name. Not sure we should place any reliance on the intelligence of the people who rioted

And if people are aghast now that he was referred to Prevent and has since carried out these attacks, can you imagine the response if he had been subject to tags and curfews and still carried this out?

It would be full of 'oh you think a tag and a curfew can stop a committed killer'

He was in a children in need BBC promo video.

You’re wrong.

To be clear some public commentators may choose to refer to it that way. The authorities - without evidence, absolutely would not.

Eh? That does not answer my question.

Rather than focusing on why Prevent did nothing (I understand that they had no evidence of terrorism), I would be more interested in finding out whether he was reported to the police for his actual offences (assaulting a fellow student, carrying a knife). If not, why not? If yes, what did the police do? Tens of thousands of children are sentenced every year, knife possession mostly gets them a community order and they are free to roam the streets. And that's just the kids that the police decide to investigate and the CPS to prosecute. If no one bothers reporting them or the police don't bother investigating, how do we expect anything to change?

@JHound I'm not sure if you are deliberating being abrasive or misunderstanding again?

He was not an immigrant so that’s thoroughly irrelevant to the discussion.

What discussion? My comment was in reply to a comment that said things should be covered up if necessary because the public are stupid. I said I disagree and think some of that thinking was imo what lead to Brexit. Immigration very much was relevant to the Brexit discussion...

It's not obligatory to read my posts 😆

We have evidence that he was born into a family who identified as Christian. Loads of radicalised muslim convert Islamist terrorists have the same background, so that argument means very little. I am not saying I know that he committed those acts in the name of Islamism, but neither can you be sure he didn't. And as there will now be now trial, it seems we will never find out.