That picture of the Southport killer

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That has been circulating today.

Remember that sweet boy that was in all the reports at the time? The one who looked about nine?

Can anyone think of any other serious criminal who has pictures of them as a child out in the press?

BINGO!

To answer your original question yes...

Jamie Bulgers killers and also only this week there are photos of the teen who stabbed someone in a transphpbic attack as a young girl smiling, looking like a typical young girl not the violent attacker she is.

Why would the "Establishment" cover this up if it was an Islamist terrorism attack? Why this and not all the other attacks?

This. There have been numerous genuine Islamist terror attacks in the uk over the past 20 years, including one (Manchester Arena) in which a number of the victims were children. Why would “they” decide to cover up Southport but not all the others? What would they be trying to achieve?

Bullshit.

The police did not find a terror motive, let alone an Islamist one. The onus is on YOU to prove it, not for others to disprove it.

I'll tell you how - because some people are just unhinged. 'Twas ever thus.

You think the UK press are in the business of painting black boys / men in a 'better' light to the public?

Seriously?

I did wonder, when it said his parents were originally from Rwanda. I remember being haunted by the images of bodies floating down river.

It may be coincidence but you'd think something like that would cause inter-generational trauma. Wonder if his parents came here to put that in the past? How horrible for them (especially if they came to begin a new life), as well as the victim's families.

I think its more accurate to say that people are generalising about the entire heterogeneous mass murderer/obsessive murderer population and/or the people who obsess about the same.

Lots of Rwandans came to the UK as refugees. The Rwandan genocide was horrific.

@JHound of course it would be portrayed as a racist attack! As it should, and exactly as this one should, no matter how uncomfortable it makes people who want to deny that racial hatred comes from all sides and can drive people to murder.

What do you mean projecting my own racist views? What racist views? Do you know what race I am?

That’s more X dot com far right bullshit.

I think we can all see in which circles YOU were radicalised.

So, why didn't the Establishment focus on mental health in other Islamist terror incidents?

Agreed, it was one of the worse genocides and Axel was obsessed by it. I think it would have had a big effect.

This is a really good point.

If people felt confident enough to just say that was a mistake, yet I believe x, y, z we wouldn't all be bun fighting.

I value this space very much for debate and reason. One may laugh at that but it's true 😆.

I read the reference to Jihadi training manual in the Guardian article and jumped on Islamic extremism. On discussion here, stopping to pause, I see there's alot more going on here and jumping on that in isolation was blinkered. I now don't even think this was that relevant in what led to this for this guy.

I still question the intent of Authorities and believe they cover a multitude of crap up for self serving reasons.

( I still have particular views regarding religions which have not changed - despite above).

@cakeorwine

When you assumed it was an Islamist terror attack, did you post about it being an Islamic attack or did you wait until it had been confirmed as an Islamic terror attack?

I heard it on the news at work, I wouldn't ever post about stuff because I don't have twitter or anything like that. Tbh my thoughts quickly turned to the poor victims as more news came in, same as my colleagues.

I can see how you could jump to that conclusion but there are also other conclusions that could have been drawn - and one of things I've learnt is not to jump to conclusions until I have seen reliable evidence that either supports or negates that conclusion.

I think it's completely normal to jump to conclusions and make assumptions tbh. It's human nature although as a Londoner who has been caught up in bomb scares/evacuations perhaps my judgement is more clouded. But when it later came out that he wasn't a terrorist my opinion didn't change about how tragic the event was.

I waited because the MO of “mass killing” seems not restricted to any one ideology (as we saw with Plymouth) but even people are stridently arguing he must be an islamic terrorist despite no evidence supporting any belief in any islamic ideology on his part. And I think if he was white they would clearly see that.

The BINGO refers to "do your own research" btw. Not the far right conspiracy theory being peddled here.

As I recall it, it was stated they did not have a recent photo of him at the time.

But why would they do that when they did not with other Islamist attacks?

“Do your own research” is far-right conspiracy wingnut-ese for “I have no evidence, please look at this avalanche of bullshit until something else distracts your attention”

They are more vulnerable because they struggle to make friends. So they are more likely to be groomed or get obsessive. Online makes it easier for them to be targeted.

A friend of mines son got obsessed with the Korean army. He ordered an army uniform and imitation g*n online and was doing the chants. Luckily got help for him.

Another example is Ethan Stables. He was let down by CAMBHS. He posted on twitter he was going to target an LGBTQ event anonymously. There was armed police outside the pub. Luckily he was caught on the way there with a homemade bo*b. His flat was full of neo natzi paraphernalia. He was in denial he was gay. He might never be released. The case was only really known about localy. I seen 1 news report on it and it wasn't on it on the regional news not the main headlines Both white British local lads.