That picture of the Southport killer

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That has been circulating today.

Remember that sweet boy that was in all the reports at the time? The one who looked about nine?

Can anyone think of any other serious criminal who has pictures of them as a child out in the press?

The fact that he had islamic terror material doesn't mean he is muslim though. It could be that the islamic terror material was easier to get hold of. Pupils at the school he was expelled from he had an obsession with despotic figures including Genghis Khan and Adolf Hitler. He was also known to have accessed information about the IRA.

Actually, quite a lot it, turns out. He had been on the radar of various authority bodies since he was 14. The LEA (he'd been excluded for various acts of violence, carrying knives at school and planning to attack his teachers with a hockey stick.) He was known to CAMHs and had been placed in not one, but two different pupil referral units/schools for students with behavioural challenges. And yes, surprise surprise! It turns out he had also been referred to PREVENT, the police and government anti-terror anti-radicalisation scheme TWICE.

So it looks like the police DID LIE and cover up what they knew about him, aided and encouraged (or simply ordered to?) by this government. Yvette Cooper has announced an inquiry into it, which seems a bit faux wide eyed and disingenuous at this stage, if you ask me.

Also, at the point they released that picture of the angelic looking 12 year old, they would also have been in possession of their own police mugshot of a the menacing, deranged looking lunatic he actually was at the time he committed the atrocity . But guess which one they spoonfed us anyway.

Because the details have been suppressed and there will be no trial.

@Livelovebehappy are you kidding? Imagine if a white man had burst into a hip hop dance class and killed 3 black girls - ya think that wouldn’t be racist? He targetted them because they were white. It was a racially motivated extremist attack.

BBC reported it today.

Either those groups are extremely ineffective or this can't be true.

When was the last spate of mass attacks/deaths caused by neo nazis in the UK?

It's all too easy to list the last few Islamic ones.

Both hideous groups of humans, but I think it strengthens harmful rhetoric when you attempt to ignore or twist plain facts because they don't fit into a preferred narrative.

The BBC have reported it.

It’s not speculation. He did have information on the IRA but he could not be charged with that as possessing that information is not an offence under the Terrorism Act. Posessing the Al Qaeda manual is an offence under the terrorism act.

To he clear even if he had not carried out a mass killing, and have been a perfect schoolboy. Possessing that material would still be an offence under the Terror Act.

People were jailed for committing and / or inciting violence. Which didn’t help the families of those poor girls one little bit.

Who ‘designed’ the photo to make him look innocent? What other photos of him looking evil were available and should have been used instead? Do we even need trials or should the public just been given someone’s best and worst photo and we can decide guilt or innocence based on that?

It was absolutely correct not to release that information because the general public are collectively and overwhelmingly too blinkered by emotion to have any sort of rational approach to things like this.

I'm not sure I agree with that, it fuels cover up
theories which isn't good.

No it's clear you're not a psychologist so a good idea to stop speculating on his diagnosis. Not something I have done.

It doesn't aid autistic people who often suffer generalised discrimination.

What you are doing is this 'generalising about the entire heterogeneous autism population.' which is known to be harmful.

That's not fair. I like to think my posts show I am measured enough to say I made an assumption and my evidence was not sufficient to back up an assumption. This leads to self analysis regards what led to that assumption and how might prejudice inform that. Is it all prejudice? Is it more?

I don't believe it's accurate to see race tied to religion. I believe for many this is not about race. It is so much more complex than that. I believe many have issues with religious ideology. That will and has been applied in a silo here ( including myself). It does not equal racism.

There is no evidence it was a racially motivated attack. None.

But your racism is clear “hip-hop dance class”.

Really?

Quite frankly I couldn't hive a shiny shit what he looks like - whether he's black, white, Muslim, Catholic or otherwise. The fact is ,he planned and carried out the most despicable crime on innocent victims and has shown absolutely no remorse whatsoever. This pleading guilty today does not surprise me in the slightest. He has not had to face the families of these victims by doing so, therefore making his life easier. No amount of sentence will be enough for people like this. And don't get me started on the terrorism stuff. There will be all sorts about this guy that will never enter the public domain.

Some people on this thread should read more widely than the twitter feeds of Yaxley-Lennon and Farage.

The details are not being suppressed and there will be no trial. There will be no trial because HE HAS PLEADED GUILTY. He will be sentenced soon at which point the judge will summarise the case.

There is also going to be a full public inquiry into it. No suppression.

I really think ignoring the immigration questions and branding people racists fuelled Brexit.

They have a problem with music/dancing/freedom for women/western dress as you well know.

...so you think it is a coincidence? Why do you think he got a taxi there?

You sound hysterical. When have they ever covered up Islamic terror incidents in the UK?

There is simply not one piece of evidence that this boy was motivated by any form of islamic terror ideology. None.

What has immigration got to do with it? He was not an immigrant.

He was a Christian choir boy. That is not up for dispute. Or are you claiming it is?

I think thats more because being mentally not right or well is not the same as a quantifiable MH formal diagnosis

I dont know why some posters here are taking evidence that he has pleaded guilty as 'proof' that he is mentally well, someone doesnt have to cite MH in mitigation or to avoid a plea

I've not mentioned neurodiversity or mental health, aside from saying I don't know if he had mental health issues and I'm not qualified to judge.

But no, people with mental health issues and neurodiverse people aren't routinely demonised.